EVE General Discussion

Seriously. Who do you think you are that you can tell me what to say? Haven't you learned anything yet?

You should join me.
We'd dec your ****** corp and kill them together!
Like sisters! :D

OP, may I direct your attention here -- One day of skill training, 100k SP. PvP'ing like a boss.

SP and ISK aren't everything.

Stopped at "dont join a corp"





So stupid

The best thing about Eve is the players, the worst thing about Eve is the players, simple as!

I play this game because its full of people who want to ruin your day, my fun comes from making it very hard for them to ruin my day. For example I am in NPC 0.0 at the moment, there is a WH in system, I have one of them in the system I am using camping me. I am reading a book, and leaving my toons logged in, if he is there after DT then I will start warping to BM's off the belts, knowing that he will be using his D-scan to locate me, he warps to belt and I am not there, I will then warp to another safe and he will do this again multiple times. At some point he will get annoyed, and out come the probes, then I have a compromised safe that I will warp to and align to another safe and then as he decloaks I will warp out, hopefully I can waste hours of his time.

I love the gate baiting, get a toon cloaked up on a low sec gate not related to the other account, wait for pirate type to setup gate camp, some of them setup on a warp in using a scout for the other side. Then on the HS side warp a BS to the gate and then warp it out again, I had one person who was waiting at a safe warp to the gate 10 times before he logged in disgust.

When you play Eve you are always involved in PvP, but be aware, you do not have to kill them to fight back, sometimes ruining their game play is the most fun of all. After a while of this most get complacent and desperate for a kill then you explode on them.

In other words this game is all about attitude.

i joined eve a year ago and didn't have any of these problems.
i have lived in high sec during wars whilst in useless non pvp corps and i solved that by doing exploration in a cloaked up heron and then running sites in a combat ship. the war deccers would have had to probe me out and that takes time. time in which u can move to safe spots or dock. Doing missions was very easy to train and do upto level 3 missions within a week or so.
starting pvp and moving to null was done within a month. My first kills were all done in a destroyer in low sec because that was all i could fly.
Please don't spout your nonsense as advice because it is flat out wrong.
joining player groups in eve is the BEST thing you can do.
joining poorly run player groups though is a bad idea.
generally if a corp lets you join with no security check (API / interview) it is a very very bad sign and you should avoid them like the plague.
your poor choice of corp lead to the poor outcome and getting advice from high sec miners/ mission runners who have never done anything else in eve also resulted in poor outcomes. Next time join a better group and get better advice and outcomes.

Man you are doing something wrong. Let's do with mining first. Do you know what I did once? I made a petition and asked CCP if they would remove Mining I from my skill list. Unfortunately they replied they could not as it is too risky and may break my character. Does that indicate how much do you need to mine in this game?

Anyway. I've played both in corporation and as a solo player. When you join a corp that does pvp you can quickly train frigates and became a tackler where your job is to jump into a (low-sec or null-sec) system, locate a victim using directional scanner on a belt, warp, tackle and wait for the others to warp in and kill it. You do not need character skills for that, only player skills. You can also be a scout ahead of your fleet mates.

However if you see yourself as a victim in a wardec scenario then you will always be a victim, no matter how many skillpoints or wealth you acquire.

As for missions - what are you talking about? Start with level ones in a frig, progress to doing level 2s in a cruiser then make a choice if you want to skill battlecruisers and do level 3s in them, or go straight for T3s, then you can do level 3s or level 4s in it, while skilling other stuff. T3s open for you the world of wormholes where they are mandatory and nullsec life, where they do serve couple of roles.

All you need to do is figure out what you can do now and what career path does it open for you. You know, just like in real life.

PRO TIP ... the basic function of Darwinism is alive and well in EVE. Figure out how far up the "food chain" you want to be, or don't. Your call.

To the OP.

What happened to you happens to a lot of people, and it is rough. I dont agree with your advice on not joining a corp, but you an alter it a bit and say "Don't join a corp until you are ready to deal with the consequences".

In my opinion joining a corp is one of the most important things you can do in EVE. You get friends, experience and a sense of "safety" when you have a group that knows what they are doing and can support you.
The problem is finding that corp.
Most new players do one vital mistake from what i have seen, and that is joining the first corp that says "new player friendly". Of course its not bad to look for a corp that states this, but many young corporations will state that they are new player friendly, and sort of leave out the fact that they have no idea what they are doing.
There are many older corporations out there that are new player friendly. Look for them, listen to the advice they can give you and you will find your self growing as an EVE player very fast.

It sounds like you have ended up in a group like that.

I understand that you like the corp your with (or rather, you like the members), but the corp your in seems to be lacking any form of discipline, or the members simply refuse to listen to commands and runs around like headless chickens. Both of these are pretty bad. I would suggest that you leave the corp, at this rate none of your friends will be there for long anyway. Create a channel where you can talk to them (its free, anyone can do it), look for a new corporation, and when you find one your friends may or may not end up following you. And even if they dont, nothing prevents you from flying with them. The only real difference is that you wont share the corp logo.

Someone mentioned NCQA, and i agree with them saying that thats where you should have made this thread. The NCQA section tends to be a bit more...friendly i guess you can say.
But i will say im impressed.
When i read your OP i rolled my eyes and was thinking "well this should be a fun read", but you have been actively posting and responding to people, taking peoples advice, tried to expand on your situation, and done it without starting to yell, call people names, or coming across as a whiny brat.
Its understandable that your angry, which explains your first post, but the fact that your sticking with it and listening gives me hope that you wont rage quit within the next 2 months unless everything lines up perfectly.

So, good luck, and i hope you will find what your looking for

My advice for a brand new player (same thing I tell everyone):

How to get started:
First, do your tutorial missions. Don't skip the ones you are not interested in. Do them all, because you will learn about how other careers operate. You also get some good starting ships, fittings and money. It helps.

Should I join a corporation?
In your first 3 months, stay in your newbie corp. Learn everything you can. Scout out potential corporations. Take notes. After 3 months, consider joining a corporation that does similar things you want to do. Try to avoid jumping corps often. Your corp history is available to everyone who wants to see it. It is like a resume. Mistakes are fine, just don't be careless.

How to make money
Isk generation for a new character takes time. You have a few options.

1: Faction Warfare is a good option, but you need to know how it works. Google it. Read everything. Everything. It does make solid money and provides a great place for PVP in small ships.

2: Missions. Level 1 missions can be done in a frigate. Level 2 in a Destroyer, Frigate (tougher) or a Cruiser. Level 3 is best in a BC. Level 4 can be done in a variety of ships, but are best done in a BS when low skilled. If you go the mission route, money generation is slow and steady. Level 4 missions can make enough to pay for heavy PVP for the pilot who loses a lot of ships (hint: everyone loses ships in pvp).

3: Mining is an option. However, the skills required to make worthwhile isk are time consuming. This means you wont be training combat skills. Mining is not a side job as much as a career choice. Don't mine unless you want to be bored.

4: Ninja salvaging. Wrecks left over from mission runners can be salvaged by anyone. If you loot one you will get flagged which means you can get shot. But if you simply salvage, you do not. The salvage you get can be sold for money. This is considered less than honorable by some, as the mission runner may want his salvage. But, if you don't care about that then by all means go take it before he does! Google "eve how to ninja salvage" for more info.

Bigger is *NOT* better:
Do not rush your way into "larger ships". They are not better in this game; only different. It is a hard notion to wrap your head around at first. If you rush to battleships or worse, if you rush to carriers you will likely ruin your own experience. Stay in frigates or destroyers until you have MASTERED your favorite one. At first, try all the T1 frigs you are interested in. Settle on one while training T2 fittings and core skills. Fly it a lot. Make it explode in new and interesting ways. PVE, PVP, do it all a bit to see what it is like. Once you master a fully T2 fit frig/destroyer, then look at other ships.