EVE General Discussion

You just provided the proof yourself that more ships are lost in High Sec than in Null Sec. Sure, they aren't all PvP kills, but they are still lost ships. And some of them far more expensive due to high sec bling.

So, you're arguing that the 75% of HS ship losses to NPCs represent a "battleground." 'Kay.

Anyway, the in game heat map shows HS as being more concentrated because the HS systems occupy a smaller area on the map.
So, I'll say again, [Citation Needed]. Citations tend to include objective data, like numbers. Perhaps a definition of "Constant Battleground" so you can explain why HS is "more battlegroundy" than the areas that had 2 and 3.5 times as many kills as it did?




Take a look at the top 3 losses to NPCs. You know what PVE situation those ships were primarily used for at that time? The rookie mission that automagically makes it explode.


And again, losing your Drake to NPCs isn't a "battle" it's just sad, and, more importantly, entirely irrelevant to the conversation at hand, since there's no interplayer interaction in the losses caused by "Durr how do I Drake?" 200,000 people don't understand how not to die to rats in a motherfucking Drake (I will not accept the possibility that anyone died to rats in a Drake twice. That path leads to madness).

Yep, it's where all the action is. Miners, haulers, salvagers, mission runners, bounties, kills/pods by the hr. 0/10 thread. Killboarded too before anyone says NPC's.

The New Eden economy collapses due to the gate camps in all trade hubs. No way to mine ore to build new stuff, no way to move the stuff around safely so you might as well trash it there and then. Very risky to do any missioning.

A significant portion of the player base leaving in disgust.

And finally CCP having to close down EVE.

Please explain your thinking why bots would no longer be worth it?

Lets say CCP reduced all missions payouts and LP by 10% for missions in High Sec.

This will not lower bots, if anything it will increase bot usage as people will have to run more missions to make up the lost isk + LP so they would be more inclined to use bots as the act of running mission is tedious to say the least.

The same can be said for mining.

The only real way to counter bots is to improve detection methods and to make missions and mining less boring and introduce more random events and improved AI.

Also you cant nerf HS without fixing low / null sec isk earning opportunities.

Those who have alts in HS to earn isk for their null sec alts have them not because they want them but because they have very little choice.

Why compete with hundreds of other players for the very few complexes / sites in null for the random chance of a nice drop when you can run incursions or run missions in HS with little to no risk and have a stable earning base.

You can't do one thing without fixing the other.

Just nerfing HS without doing anything will just lower the amount of isk people can earn and thus make some people more wary about pvp'ing as they will not be able to afford to replace their ships, or as many ships as they currently can.

Another thing nerfing HS with not make people go into Low or null.

Those who already live HS choose to not because of earning isk but because they do not want to live in low or null, that is their play style and its is their right to play how they choose, you me or anybody else have no right to say how they should play.

The others people who have alts in HS do so because earning isk is easier to do in HS then low / null, its called risk v reward and time v effort.

I choose to run level 5 missions because the risk v reward is worth the time and effort involved. This is how I fund my null sec toons.

I have tried to fund my toons by earning isk in null sec but it simply is not worth the time and effort for the risk and reward.

This is the problem which has been raised numerous times by many different people from various different alliances.

I disagree. I actually like running missions. I don't really do it so much for the ISK as I do for the standings.

As far as the rest of your post. I agree completely.

One that keeps me from raking in PLEX on my three AFK alts while I watch NETFLIX and make That's-what-she-said jokes on TS.

You must be joking. The majority of illegal isk in EvE comes from nullsec, and null is where most isk sellers are based. Many nullsec alliances are funded by at least renting space to RMT operations if not operating bots themselves.

Unlike ratting bots, mining bots lower prices and do not introduce isk into the economy, the only people they inconvenience are the highsec miners who aren't botting.

Null sov players aren't looking for small gang PvP, the people who actually are into that know where it's at (NPC 0.0, FW, etc..). Nobody joins a coallition looking for small gang PvP. Nullbears love the blob. They are the blob.

How do you know this?

…and how do you know this?

Talk us through this one..