EVE General Discussion

Hello.

My prediction: Suddenly EVE becomes much more fun, and a better game in general.

Bots are no longer worthwhile as they make easy targets for PvPers.
The EVE economy becomes dominated by intelligent humans, not machines or "bot aspirant" grinders.

Due to the rapid deflation of the market, low and nullsec players find it much easier to use ingame methods to make ISK
(as their main competition, the botting/multiboxing afk/semi afk hisec players' advantage has been nullified.)

Solo and small gang pvp can now be found in abundance as there are targets and organisations of varying sizes everywhere.

Politics and the metagame get a lot deeper as even PvE focused gamers would have to consider how other players affect their gameplay.


What are your thoughts on what would happen if CCP finally nerfed hisec?

Edit:

Hold on a minute guys, I'm getting a lot of replies about how the hisec PvE population will quit.

To me, this doesn't make much sense. There are many other games with a much more focused, sophisticated PVE experience.

Why would many PvE gamers play a game that doesn't have much PvE content?

It would turn into the stagnant joke that is null. Look at the 24 hour kill stats on the map, more ships go pop in high sec than low. Only real difference between low 0.0 and high is you get to say that 0.0 is yours

What an awkward question is that, especially with this "finally"?

More get killed in 0.0 per head of population than in high sec at any given time and more ships get killed overall in 0.0 than in highsec. I recall seeing that the bulk of killed ships are also made by just a single organisation in highsec.

OP, your current view on hisec is seriously biased.

In fact, hisec is largest constant battleground in new edden. Most of the pirates (true pirates) are in hisec 0.5 because loot from plundering freighters is nowhere near to lowsec plunder. Making hisec less safer as it is would remove those juicy freighters. (and more tears from gankers)

Although nullsec is superior in number of destroyed ships in PVP, Hisec number of destroyed ships is in par with nullsec (PVE+PVP combined). That means that hisec is big player in driving whole EVE economy and making from hisec "just another nullsec" would destroy economy and tends lot of players to leave EVE.

Yes there are some aspects in hisec that needs to be changed or nerfed (like increased manufacturing costs compared to nullsec outposts, or no loot from hisec rats). But your proposal is just another "all of eve should be nullsec".


..and its interesting that most of GD threads about "nerf hisec, want moar targets" comes form one year old "l33t PvPers".

Competing games will get a hundred of thousands new players.

everything the OP said would happen, but to a lesser extent than he says. Bots would still be rampant in highsec, and there would still be huge numbers of carebear noobs who don't know how to play the game.

If highsec income were cut hugely at the highest points, say 75% less income from incursion vanguards in highsec and 50% less incoming DPS, no more incursions other than vanguards in highsec, no more level 4 missions in highsec, the top anomalies give 50% less income in highsec -- and if resource generation were reduced greatly, say 50% less PI yield in highsec, no plasma planets in highsec, no ores above omber and kernite in highsec and those only available in small quantities in grav sites you have to scan down, and 33% less tritanium and pyerite from veldspar and scordite which would be the only ores available in large quantities in asteroid belts in highsec...

then people would get by easily in highsec still. Many would seek the greater fortunes to be had outside of highsec as well as the greater challenges to be had out there. But there would still be plenty of people content to bask in what highsec still has to offer: that is enough ISK to pay for the cruisers and battlecruisers they use to run level 3 missions, enough ISK to pay for the mining barges they use to mine veldspar and scordite, enough ISK to pay for the ships they use to run the nerfed incursion vanguards, and more ISK from PI sales than the cost of exporting the goods. In short, highsec living will still be viable, therefore people will still do it.

I don't, I just seem to recall that RvB makes up a good percentage of the kills in high sec.

This is a textbook manipulation of data and statistic dude . Its like saying USA is most atheistic country in the world (if we don't count christians)

Are you a politician? If not, you should be

Over 3,000 kills in January 2014. ~3600 including Purple kills if I'm reading their campaigns right.
In 2013, RVB collected 276,000 kills.


Here's an older devblog on the Violence inherent in the system:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/3235

In the 4 year period detailed, there were about 3.5 times as many kills in Nullsec (7 million) as HS (2 million), and twice as many kills in LS (4 million) as HS.

HS also saw 6 million losses to NPCs, but that includes literally everyone who's completed the Career arcs (and the top 3 ships lost to NPCs are, I think, three of the frigates that are handed out for that suicide mission). Also, losing ships to NPCs isn't "conflict" it's just... sad.


In 2011, the last year of the study period, RvB had 73,000 kills. Assuming the total kills were steady over the 4 year period (probably wrong, but oh well), there were a total of 500,000 kills in HS in 2011. So RvB killed about 15% of the total people killed in HS in 2011. (There might be newer information in one of the RvB spots, but I can't be ****** to look that up).

Obviously, RvB has grown a little since then.




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