Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I actually think this is goos. It doesn't make them as versatile as carriers (gonna need a whole helluva a lot of buffs to get even close) but at least you have the option of using them without siege. Dreads are one of two ships i can think of (the other being the rorqual, which is still in better shape) that are so heavily reliant on a single module to be useful. This won't solve the whole problem but its a good start and decent place to work on for future buffs.

And yes phoenix needs help but its problems are less related to siege and more toward missiles mechanics.

Again, T1 ammo with NO MODS

Capitals in general surely are in need of a quite big rework. About Dreadnoughts, I think doubling the DPS could be considered excessive, but they do could use an increase.

About them being useless out of Siege Mode... Are Marauders useless when out of Bastion Mode? Nope; why should dreadnoughts be? Siege mode should live up to its name; that is, be excellent when knocking at a station's door, but not great when against other, similary sized ships. Of course it can be used strategically to take advantage of the damage increase, but it shouldn't be a requeriment for anything you want to do with such a ship. And achieving this is not easy task.

To be honest, I have never flown one, but seems like the general opinion is that they're a bit subpar when out of siege mode, and that should not be. Especially the Phoenix, the one who shoots freakin' Saturn-rocket sized missiles at you. And about said missiles I have been shown, I said it before and I will again: capital missiles suffer from a too quick damage drop when target is a bit smaller/faster. Their damage drop factors, their curves, should be softened a bit so that they can be used as effectively as their turret equivalents. Perhaps this is what all missiles need.

The drf for missiles is what determines how much damage is actually applied once optimal conditions are exceeded. Simply capital missiles have the highest drf. This is an area they could be re assessed

I like the idea of every capital ship having to commit. But a line needs to be drawn of how effective the can be without needing to commit. Currently everyone know capitals are broken. Plan and simple, no one can or should deny that. I expect the capital re-balance to fix a lot. how, i do not know. But we do not know when this will happen. one year? two years? hell they might be the next things re-balanced. the 2x damage | ½ x siege was just and idea to be adjusted. realistically i know this will be unlikely implemented into the game as stated before, a capital fleet of hot-dropping blap ships and carriers.

This may be a total crap idea, but taking ideas from plenty of sci-fi sources:

Give all dreads access to fit the same number of guns as they do now, with the phoenix given hybrid bonuses. Give them bonuses to both capital and large gun types. Remove gun bonuses and possibly penalties from the siege module.

Give all dreads one launcher slot, and able to fit the revamped siege launcher which then becomes the ships main capital ship weapon, usable only in siege mode. Set the damage/stats for the torpedoes launched to essentially do the kind of damage dreads do now to capital ships and structures. Make the torpedoes target-able and give them a fair number of hit points, and slow enough that it should be possible to shoot them down if you devote the subcap resources and/or tactics to do so.

As a bonus, you could re-task defender missiles to do bonus damage capital torpedoes instead of the useless space in the database they are now.

For the dread pilots, when in siege, you would fire your torps at your primary target, and then use your guns separately if you want. Use capital guns to do extra dps vs caps/structures or large guns to do sub-battleship but useful dps on smaller ships and/or incoming torpedoes.

Should create some interesting fleet dynamics and tactics. You couldn't abuse the torps to kill small stuff if you set the stats correctly, just like the Phoenix sucks now for dread blapping.

I have no objection to dreadnoughts going from super-useless out of siege to weak out of siege or even to moderately useful.

Just avoid changes that will make them strong when unsieged, like a certain other capital ship class that shall not be named.


Look at the Vexor for an example. Its strength is its drones - but blow up all the drones and it remains a ship with ~50% of the damage output of a Thorax - enough to be useful but not enough to be strong.

Nerf tracking then, and/or nerf extra large guns so ship speed becomes a determining factor like how it is with missiles. Now they can't do anything close to that kind of DPS on subcap. Now they are more effective out of siege against all caps.

What's the problem?