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You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships in hi-sec

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#41 - 2014-01-08 21:35:51 UTC
Atog Uz wrote:
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage

I am actually surprised that it doesn't on this game.

As a new player, who had played World of Tanks, I was in fear of smearing my little frigate on some larger ship.

I mean realistically, you go smashing into a much larger target at high speed you will cause/take some damage.

Realistically, it would also be hideously exploitable.
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2014-01-08 21:40:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Atog Uz wrote:
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage

I am actually surprised that it doesn't on this game.

As a new player, who had played World of Tanks, I was in fear of smearing my little frigate on some larger ship.

I mean realistically, you go smashing into a much larger target at high speed you will cause/take some damage.

Realistically, it would also be hideously exploitable hilarious.


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Jamagh
Grand Violations
#43 - 2014-01-08 21:41:10 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Dude, your face..



I know.... ever time I see his face, I think of Lex Luthor. I keep expecting him to go ranting about Superman and start throwing kryptonite around.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2014-01-08 21:42:00 UTC
kes88 wrote:
[quote=Favonius85]I learnt this lesson the hard way after a very unpleasant experience of borrowing a lighter from a man with no eyebrows.

You could have just asked him if it was modified.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#45 - 2014-01-08 21:52:14 UTC
Atog Uz wrote:
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage


I am actually surprised that it doesn't on this game.

As a new player, who had played World of Tanks, I was in fear of smearing my little frigate on some larger ship.

I mean realistically, you go smashing into a much larger target at high speed you will cause/take some damage.



Do not be fooled by the impressive feel of the vast expanses of unexplored space and the various high tech (or not so high tech in the case of Minmatar) looking ships.

The physics and collision mechanics was stolen directly form a Nintendo 64 based game from the 90s called "Rubber Duckies in a bath-tub".
kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-01-08 22:00:12 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
kes88 wrote:
[quote=Favonius85]I learnt this lesson the hard way after a very unpleasant experience of borrowing a lighter from a man with no eyebrows.

You could have just asked him if it was modified.


Sadly, I didn't make the connection until after I had lost my own.
Oops <--- like that, but with no eyebrows.
Herrin Asura
Covert Operations Agency
#47 - 2014-01-08 22:07:41 UTC
Well, I'm not involved in this because I'm not a miner or bumper but after seeing countless threads about this topic I really have to ask why nearly everyone thinks that bumping is ok?

I'm not talking about the GM statement here (wich meant nothing more than "We don't like it, but we can't fix it right now").
What I mean is that bumping is ridiculous. We are all playing a game about Ninjas and Pirates and Lasers and **** and some people have nothing better to do than bumping miners? Don't get me wrong, the fact that you have boundless possibilities in EVE to ruin someones day is what makes this game brilliant and unique but bumping has absolutley no style.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#48 - 2014-01-08 22:22:20 UTC
Herrin Asura wrote:
Well, I'm not involved in this because I'm not a miner or bumper but after seeing countless threads about this topic I really have to ask why nearly everyone thinks that bumping is ok?

I'm not talking about the GM statement here (wich meant nothing more than "We don't like it, but we can't fix it right now").
What I mean is that bumping is ridiculous. We are all playing a game about Ninjas and Pirates and Lasers and **** and some people have nothing better to do than bumping miners? Don't get me wrong, the fact that you have boundless possibilities in EVE to ruin someones day is what makes this game brilliant and unique but bumping has absolutley no style.


I'm inclined to agree with you Herrin. Neither a miner nor a bumper so maybe I just can't understand. It seems to me you either shoot the miner or you don't. I think part of it might be the extortion part but *shrug*, it all seems mildly ******** to me.

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Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#49 - 2014-01-08 22:28:36 UTC
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#50 - 2014-01-08 22:34:16 UTC
Herrin Asura wrote:
I really have to ask why nearly everyone thinks that bumping is ok?
Because it's either that or nerfing CONCORD back to 2006:ish levels to keep things balanced.
The Legendary Soldier
United.
#51 - 2014-01-08 23:12:23 UTC
Tippia wrote:
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
For a miner this is probably true, but a freighter can be bumped virtually indefinitely, without the bumper
being flagged for retaliation - this does seem a little unbalanced...

The ship type is not a factor. You can get away as trivially regardless.


Please enlighten me how you can trivially escape in a freighter that is being bumped.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#52 - 2014-01-08 23:18:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
Realistic physics would end bumping very quickly.
Scale it up a bit, and use the right scales please. A train vs a car is not the right scale as I shall illustrate below.

An over sized MWD SFI is a common choice for bumping, the bare hull has a mass of approx 10,800 tonnes, the oversized MWD has its own mass penalty of around 5,000 tonnes. That's around 15,800 tonnes traveling at somewhere between 3,500 and 4,600 mph (1,600ish m/s - 2,100ish m/s) with the MWD going, depending on skills.

To put that into perspective that's an object which masses around the same as a light aircraft carrier (HMS Invincible massed 16,000 tonnes unladen) with a velocity in excess of Mach 4.5, or around the same mass as the rock that evil miners aimed at Russia last year, albeit with 1/10 of the speed. (Dusties need to work on their orbital strike targeting, and who they call to do the strike. Russia is not contested lowsec, despite the popular belief)

For reference a bare Mackinaw has a mass of 20,000 tonnes. Imagine a 15,800 tonne object, the SFI, hitting it at 3,500 mph, what do you think will happen? Personally I predict a massive explosion or two and many many giggles for the person in the SFI.

Believe me, you do not want realistic bumping physics in Eve, because it will cause more tears than the mechanic we currently have.

TL;DR if bumping was realistic, we could gank you without using guns, and we'd laugh hysterically while doing so.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#53 - 2014-01-08 23:22:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
This, again? How many threads on this topic has there been now? Have we hit 100 yet? More?


Dude. CCP says otherwise. Yer bleatin' and whinging ain't gunna get you jack. HTFU and deal.


Edit:
Oh and yeah: What the hell happened to yer face?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#54 - 2014-01-08 23:23:57 UTC
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
Please enlighten me how you can trivially escape in a freighter that is being bumped.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#55 - 2014-01-08 23:25:01 UTC
I find bumping to be one of the most annoying "features" in eve. I can't stand getting my ship snagged on invisible barriers. Just remove collisions from the game completely. Would that be bad for immersion? No more so than the 1s server tick rate!

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#56 - 2014-01-08 23:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
Carmen Electra wrote:
I find bumping to be one of the most annoying "features" in eve. I can't stand getting my ship snagged on invisible barriers. Just remove collisions from the game completely. Would that be bad for immersion? No more so than the 1s server tick rate!

So, what..? Slow-boating through planets? Getting hopelessly lost inside a stellar object? Hiding inside asteroids whilst you're mining them? (or hiding inside asteroids whlst preparing to gank?)

Actually, that last one sounds like fun. Carry on!
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#57 - 2014-01-08 23:33:50 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:
So, what..? Slow-boatibng through planets? Getting hopelessly lost inside a stellar object? Hiding inside asteroids whilst you're mining them? (or hiding inside asteroids whlst preparing to gank?)

Actually, that last one sounds like fun. Carry on!


You're right, so many interesting possibilities. Now I'm more convinced we need to remove collisions.

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Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2014-01-09 00:12:41 UTC
i like repeating myself so i say it again, hi-sec needs blew up
Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-01-09 05:03:35 UTC
Changed a few things in the OP. Mainly: Fleet members as well should obviously collide with one another.

This isn't impossible or unrealistic, ya know. Two points consider:

1) When you join a fleet or a corp, things in space such as can ownership change
2) When you undock from a station, you cannot collide with any ships you happen to undock with. If you travel 100km out while still "inside" the other ship, you will remain there.

Considering both points it becomes reasonable to assume this is possible.
ISD Tyrozan
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ISD Alliance
#60 - 2014-01-09 05:15:37 UTC
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