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The biggest failure(s) of EVE for new players.

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Castiana Sukarala
#21 - 2014-01-09 04:00:08 UTC
Cela Kashuken wrote:
If you need a good starting corp try EVE University or Brave Newbies, both great corps.

Honestly, the fact that people can be really cutthroat in this game is what drew me into it in the first place.


Not my impression. My impression is ppl are cowardly, and target new players for easy kills and e-penis?^^. I remember when i played wow, we had thoose aholes ganking newbies in strangletorn. When that happened it ended with them getting corpse camped for days afterwards. Cause its a ****** thing to do. And it ruins it for thoose just learning about the game. Theres not even 1% challange in doing it.
Jim Era
#22 - 2014-01-09 04:02:46 UTC
Hmm, I think you are just going about it wrong OP, try to broaden your scope, do what you find fun.

Wat™

Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#23 - 2014-01-09 04:03:17 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Sorry if this sounds douchey but I think you missed the mark on this one.

Maybe. I only read half of it and it seemed like a huge wall of whining to me.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-01-09 04:03:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Kane
New Players should not be able to PVP or be able to shoot at stuff for the first 2-3 Months?

I would left the game way back then if all i could do is mine and mission. Been shooting at people since day 1 in this game. Yes I lost ships the first few months but I killed alot more than I lost.

Your attitude is wrong which is why you are complaining. And the fact that your corp is part of alliance tells me that the corp leadership is shyte. Unable to rally the members into a cohesive fighting force allowing their members to flail about and get shot at with impunity. This is a failure of people able to manage their corps properly and keep their members safe. or atleast able to protect themselves.

Your gripe is also the reason why many new players actually stay in the game.

They have been added to my list for a future wardec.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Cale Nolen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-01-09 04:04:44 UTC
Awoking seems to be the "in" thing the now with the bored vets u had that one yet?
Cela Kashuken
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2014-01-09 04:05:28 UTC
You can also try faction warfare. This gives you plenty of PVP opportunity and has fleets forming up all the time to take on the opposing faction.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-01-09 04:05:42 UTC
The OP has given his advice. Here is mine:

Jump in head 1st and ignore everyhting this dude just said. FAIL, pick yourself up, learn from it, don't whine, THINK about things and conquer the freaknig universe.


If you can't do that, do what thousands of other very smart people have donw, quit when your trial is up. Don't become one of the dumb entitled people who knows they don't like the game but keeps playing for some reason and then complains about it non-stop.
BoSau Hotim
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
#28 - 2014-01-09 04:10:01 UTC
I'm glad I'm not OP. We got dec'd 8 times in a row when I was a noob in a noob corp. We sucked it up and still learned the game and found new ways to make it fun. It's all attitude really - and OP's atttitude tells me he's not going to be around for long.

I'm not a carebear... I'm a SPACE BARBIE!  Now... where's Ken?

Yuber Eightfold
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#29 - 2014-01-09 04:11:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuber Eightfold
There is very little other games that can offer what eve has and I think that's why people stay. If you can't handle it, then accept that this game is not for you and move on.

The cutthroat features was why I immediately subbed within a week of trying out the game.
Castiana Sukarala
#30 - 2014-01-09 04:11:36 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Hmm, I think you are just going about it wrong OP, try to broaden your scope, do what you find fun.


That was the point i was trying to make ^^. I really like the ppl in corp. Good ppl. Fun to play with (when possible) etc. I love the pve elements. PVP is probably fun to. But not what i want to do at this point in time. The things i do like to do, gets impossible to do. Offcourse i can leave corp. Join NPC corp and do it again, but then i wouldnt have the same people to chat/play with etc. I could try joining another "newb" guild but whats to say the same **** dosnt happen, from what ive understood this kinda thing is really common. And as ive said, i do really like the game when i can play it. And when it was just 1 corp at war with us it was managable. With 2 corps every new player in corp is hunted 24/7 almost.

And im fully aware that its how EVE functions. And its not a failure of the game for most players that play this game. What im trying to point out is simply the best parts of EVE (at least imo) quikly becomes extreemly hostile to new players, not only because of SP difference/ISK difference, but also understanding of mechanics etc.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#31 - 2014-01-09 04:11:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kimmi Chan
Castiana Sukarala wrote:
I said somewhat safe. Not safe.


Fine I'll rephrase - no where is somewhat safe.

Castiana Sukarala wrote:
Thats not the thing. Its the "wardecking" newbs to get easy kills i have an issue with. And the targeted hunting down and killing you.
...
Blockading you. Preventing you from playing.


How then are you defining playing here? You're playing the game whether your mining, or kicking someones ass, or missioning, or getting your ass kicked by someone. None of these things prevent you from playing.

Castiana Sukarala wrote:
And from what ive seen mainly PVE/industry centered corps with ALOT of new players are the ones targeted. So they know theres no real opposition.
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As for join NPC corp do what you want etc. Whats the fun in that?


Welcome to Eve. You can always join a corp that is not newb/industry based. As far as fun in NPC Corps, there isn't any, but you need to recognize that you have alternatives.

Castiana Sukarala wrote:
As i mentioned i think the real strong points of this game is corp play. The few days i got playing with others in corp, doing even mining ops is the best stuff. What makes it worth playing.


Good then. Keep doing that.

Castiana Sukarala wrote:
What bothers me is that i can't do anything after a lill while. Cause theres no point in taking a ship out.


You have options. You're just not exercising them.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Deunan Tenephais
#32 - 2014-01-09 04:13:12 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Deunan Tenephais wrote:
I don't care that you don't care, you think a new player will have anything else than awfully wrong ideas about the game ?

What are you, 5 years old ?


Okay, how about this?

Hey OP, if you don't know what you're talking about, then shut the **** up.

Is that better for you, Deunan?

Ah, I see, the attitude should prove something, but know what ?
Flaming a pretty ignorant newbie doesn't prove anything and me answering to it does not either.

OP ?
Some people are mean cunts in this game, they are on it because it allows them to be.
Find a way to do what you like in EVE, look and remember who wrongs you, get ready to pay them back tenfold.

And if you're not ready for that, then go give your money to another company for your online entertainment.
sparx Thiesant
Can't Someone Else Do It
#33 - 2014-01-09 04:14:43 UTC
Op you dont know how easy new players have it

before you couldnt warp to 0 no faction warfare and makeing isk was a 100 times harder than now oh yea and learning skills to name but a few things

new players now are damn spoilt if you cant take the steep learning curve gtfo and this op is why eve online has remained one of the most stable online games over the past 10+ years

eve is not a quick fix fad game that dies afta a year or two
Castiana Sukarala
#34 - 2014-01-09 04:21:53 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
New Players should not be able to PVP or be able to shoot at stuff for the first 2-3 Months?

I would left the game way back then if all i could do is mine and mission. Been shooting at people since day 1 in this game. Yes I lost ships the first few months but I killed alot more than I lost.

Your attitude is wrong which is why you are complaining. And the fact that your corp is part of alliance tells me that the corp leadership is shyte. Unable to rally the members into a cohesive fighting force allowing their members to flail about and get shot at with impunity. This is a failure of people able to manage their corps properly and keep their members safe. or atleast able to protect themselves.

Your gripe is also the reason why many new players actually stay in the game.

They have been added to my list for a future wardec.



I mentioned in original post. You should be able to waiver the protection. Good for you you like PVP and been doing it from the start.


Theres not alot of new players to eve, there never has been. Except recently now with the steam sales.



As ive said most of the players in corp are newbies. Even if we all grouped upp at once (not possible because of time difference) we would most likely not win.


Your last sentence is really additon to is really nice. Got to laugh well at that one. You don't like what somone write so your going to do what im complaining about even more ^^. Nice to know the LOL community is ******* AWESOME compared to some games out there haha.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#35 - 2014-01-09 04:22:15 UTC
sparx Thiesant wrote:
oh yea and learning skills


Ugh, spent like my first year in game training skills that would make it easier to train skills.

It was nice when we got the SP refund though. Big smile

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Yuber Eightfold
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#36 - 2014-01-09 04:26:56 UTC
Castiana Sukarala wrote:
stuff


find a corp in your timezone if you want more organization, when you find one, do some background check on them. check their war history and killboards. also, research research research.
Castiana Sukarala
#37 - 2014-01-09 04:27:01 UTC
sparx Thiesant wrote:
Op you dont know how easy new players have it

before you couldnt warp to 0 no faction warfare and makeing isk was a 100 times harder than now oh yea and learning skills to name but a few things

new players now are damn spoilt if you cant take the steep learning curve gtfo and this op is why eve online has remained one of the most stable online games over the past 10+ years

eve is not a quick fix fad game that dies afta a year or two


Never thaught eve was a quick fix. I do LOL for that. EVE was harder for sure earlier, less polished and developed and all that. But also the playing field was more even.


dilly nay
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-01-09 04:37:02 UTC  |  Edited by: dilly nay
I started playing Eve by the end of last October and my experience and understanding are different than yours OP.

Just because all content isn't spoon fed to you within the first month does not make you some kind of victim to a broken concept developed by CCP. You place yourself within a conceptual trap by generating some kind of standard that should exist for your gaming experience.

You are not forced into joining a corp and should understand the risk when doing so. This risk generates a very real reward. Honorable to those who are willing to not tear up over the possibilities. However this does not break the game. An 11% tax is incredibly reasonable for your lack of participation within a community-driven game while still enabling you to do everything any other corp player is able to do (with the exception to open pvp).

I've been in two player corps and 4 wars- which account for about half the time I've been in Eve. I've still not been shot at or placed into a dangerous situation vs another player. Not once.

Eve has flaws but your reasoning has failed you.
Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-01-09 04:43:34 UTC
OP, you have solutions ya know.

It's very, very, very, VERY easy to drop corp during wardecs. If your corp is filled with indy players that cannot defend themselves well, your corp should have a system in place where they can either join a sister corp during wars, or have a chat channel to communicate in while in NPC corps during the duration of the war.

This game, it's players, and the developers are intent on forcing PVP on players at all costs. While I agree with you, OP, that it's frustrating and almost childish sometimes... there are ways to avoid it outside of the rare occasion.

It's about knowledge, and being led by those who are knowledgeable.
Beta Maoye
#40 - 2014-01-09 05:00:08 UTC
You have to realise that EVE gameplay is very different from real world experience. This game is challenging because it allows scammers and gankers and rewards them as long as they don't break the intended game mechanic. Players can make good amount of isk by doing "bad" things. Economic incentive is a positive reinforcement to encourage people to repeat their behavior. So you will always meet these people no matter what you do or where you go. They are part of the game and you cannot avoid them. What you have to do is to learn to deal with them. Complaining them is useless. It is part of the funs to overcome these challenges or, if you like, to take advantage of these opportunities.