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Hardest level 4 Security Mission?
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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-01-09 04:38:53 UTC
Dirk Massive wrote:
Going on a whole different tangent in this thread but related to doing missions. There seems to be a whole new challenge to us mission runners out there. We got a few folks hanging out in the more popular systems for doing level 4 missions, and probing out mission runners doing missions and destroying the mobile tractor units we use, stealing the loot they have inside, and an added insult to injury, some folks have drones out, set to aggressive, which attack the thief when he commits the aggressive act, and the hapless mission runners find themselves getting concorded, losing expensive ships. I've found such a criminal doing this in the system I have been frequenting lately, and still trying to figure out a way I can set a trap for the rascal. They seem to only fly frigates, and destroyers, so popping them quickly don't seem to be too tough. Best thing I can think of is just camping his ass, and suicide gank him every chance I get. Would be nice to think of something a bit more original though. Still thinking about this one.


Having the drones set to aggressive does not get you concorded, the drones will just attack the thief who already has a criminal timer. What it means is that you get a limited engagement timer, and the thief can not attack you without getting concorded.

If you want to trap him, just fit you ship for pvp and setup a mtu and wait for him to find it, once he shoots at it you are free to engage him.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Luscius Uta
#62 - 2014-01-11 19:09:26 UTC
hmskrecik wrote:
Khadrea Shakor wrote:
For example I MJD'd into the middle of the Battleship spawn (Blood Riders) in the last pocket of Dread Pirate Scarlet just to see how much beating the bastioned Kronos with 74.5/70.9/75.1/54 damage profile can take. Spawn after spawn, armor down to ~35% and back up to ~90% with a single rep cycle and with the DPS over 1600 with 11km optimal it was a massacre.

The Kronos became a monster. I have yet to try the Vargur and the Paladin with the Bastion Module, but I was not really impressed with the performance of the TorpGolem.

This is currently my favourite tactic too and I can confirm it's a gangsrape (that is, Kronos is raping whole gang, in short succession).

However for example Epic Arcs are noticeably harder and I had a couple of surprises when I grew overconfident. The ship had survived fortunately. My feeling of invincibility a little less so. ;)


What means overconfident? Did you killed the triggers by accident, ran out of cap while in bastion, or something else?
I ask because I might gonna repeat the Gallente epic arc one day with a Vargur, the plan is to use Bastion mode most of the time but that's not a good plan if incoming damage ship is greater than my ship can tank. I remember that few missions in that epic arc (especially "Showtime") were particularly nasty.

Workarounds are not bugfixes.
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#63 - 2014-01-12 08:48:21 UTC
Luscius Uta wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
However for example Epic Arcs are noticeably harder and I had a couple of surprises when I grew overconfident. The ship had survived fortunately. My feeling of invincibility a little less so. ;)


What means overconfident? Did you killed the triggers by accident, ran out of cap while in bastion, or something else?
I ask because I might gonna repeat the Gallente epic arc one day with a Vargur, the plan is to use Bastion mode most of the time but that's not a good plan if incoming damage ship is greater than my ship can tank. I remember that few missions in that epic arc (especially "Showtime") were particularly nasty.

Here it means I had my tank too light. For L4 missions it is enough to have one hardener fitted (specific or reactive) and this is how I started this Arc. It worked fine until the Assistance when those Mercenary Overlords started spawning just on top of my head. I was already bastioned so there wasn't "oops, I gotta out of here" so I quickly launched depot and after adding second hardener I did fine but just in case I continued the arc with two hardeners.

And the second close call was during the Showtime. Again, I warped in, bastioned and then I saw with my heart sinking how much my armor swings back and forward between repper cycles. By the time the depot has activated I had already 70% of structure left. I reckon that for this mission three hardeners are required. At least for Kronos.

If you're talking about Vargur, you can try speed tanking. I've run the Arcs in this ship before rebalancing and AB combined with careful watching of transversal speed was enough to keep incoming dps in check. However now the ship has its speed lowered a bit so I can't promise how well will it work this time.
Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
#64 - 2014-01-14 10:29:36 UTC
With so many mission griefers now out to spoil the mission runners day, and so many suicide gankers who will stop at nothing to blow you up to get fancy loot. I've actually decided against doing these epic arcs right now. That's just making yourself an unnessecary target.

**Bringing WAR and TERROR to a system near you.... **
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-01-14 10:32:57 UTC
Dirk Massive wrote:
With so many mission griefers now out to spoil the mission runners day, and so many suicide gankers who will stop at nothing to blow you up to get fancy loot. I've actually decided against doing these epic arcs right now. That's just making yourself an unnessecary target.


because it's impossible to do anything in eve without officer fitted max dps paper tank faction battleships.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
#66 - 2014-01-14 10:35:15 UTC
dexington wrote:
Dirk Massive wrote:
With so many mission griefers now out to spoil the mission runners day, and so many suicide gankers who will stop at nothing to blow you up to get fancy loot. I've actually decided against doing these epic arcs right now. That's just making yourself an unnessecary target.


because it's impossible to do anything in eve without officer fitted max dps paper tank faction battleships.

I wouldn't know, I have never flown one that way.

**Bringing WAR and TERROR to a system near you.... **
Judas Lonestar
Stryker Industries
Stryker Group
#67 - 2014-01-16 06:40:36 UTC
I'm going with Smash the Suppliers. It is a big truckload of dps.
Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
#68 - 2014-01-16 10:42:59 UTC
The more I'm getting used to flying this Kronos the more all these missions are becoming EZ mode. Switching things up from time to time using my Ishtar instead. Sort of embarrassed now thinking back a ways, and thinking these level 4's were actually tough.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#69 - 2014-01-16 12:42:11 UTC
The breakout
Cost me a Paladin, overconfidence being the culprit here ,shortly followed by panic...leading to sadness, no tears though.

I jumped into the middle of the bs's, bastioned up and let rip.
Thing was , I hadn't brought enough tank. I'd enough for most 4's but that took my ship.

Still though, lesson learned.

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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#70 - 2014-01-16 21:27:51 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
The breakout
Cost me a Paladin, overconfidence being the culprit here ,shortly followed by panic...leading to sadness, no tears though.

I jumped into the middle of the bs's, bastioned up and let rip.
Thing was , I hadn't brought enough tank. I'd enough for most 4's but that took my ship.

Still though, lesson learned.

Dude... What costed you a Paladin, was being a cheapskate. ;)

No, really. I'm trying to as lighthearted as I can but considering the fact that the depot's price dropped below one million, what's your excuse?
Kat Bandeis
Trinity Industries Corp.
#71 - 2014-01-16 22:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kat Bandeis
I don't remember which L4 mission (in Amarr space) it was, but I dropped into it in my Mach... was doing fine until a new wave of ships spawned right on top of me, including 3 or four elite frigates with warp disruptors. Drones couldn't kill the disrupting frigates fast enough (at any time three of them had active disrupts on me) while the battleships pounded on me... nothing I could do but watch the armor then hull get stripped away. And nope, no MJD Easy Button. :)
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#72 - 2014-01-16 23:02:20 UTC
Judas Lonestar wrote:
I'm going with Smash the Suppliers. It is a big truckload of dps.

Smash the Suppliers against Amarr was the first mission I started farming (Yeah took awhile to fix my standings after that) Used a Arty Maelstrom warp in, turn around when you get to 85km start blapping frigs then cruisers then BS's by the time you get to 15km the last BS dies. Warp in the noctis and collect all the tags while the arties ruin the tower.

Did that mission a couple dozen times with meta 4 guns and a T2 tank.

But to be totally honest I did lose the first maelstrom to it before I figured out how easy it was if you keep the rats at > 60km.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#73 - 2014-01-17 00:49:19 UTC
Dirk Massive wrote:
Which of these missions is the most difficult?

The Blockade, because it is really hard to mine it. Recon 3/3 has claimed quite a few miners too.

Vengeance (Sansha) is somewhat difficult in a Drake.

Worlds Collide can be annoying if you get the random battleship spawned on the gate, and are not expecting it, or use drones [R.I.P. my very first Raven]

Beyond that, none are really hard.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#74 - 2014-01-17 14:22:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
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Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
#75 - 2014-01-25 18:53:13 UTC
Judas Lonestar wrote:
I'm going with Smash the Suppliers. It is a big truckload of dps.

I just got this mission for the first time today, If I have any difficulties I'll be sure to post about it later.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#76 - 2014-01-25 19:01:39 UTC
Dirk Massive wrote:
Thank you for your advice, and you are correct, I am fairly new to these level 4 missions. Actually trying to make some ISK instead of spending it all the time, lol.


Regular Dominix + mjd + sentry drones.

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#77 - 2014-01-26 03:35:10 UTC
I can't remember the exact name of the mission, but it's vs. Sansha and you're breaking up their attempt to collect slaves.

It's not especially hard. You clean it up, bring the Noctis in.... and a damn battleship spawns and attacks it. It's one of those things, like the fact that Dread Pirate Scarlet isn't set in a deadspace pocket, that you just have be careful of.

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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#78 - 2014-01-26 09:33:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Sobaan Tali
Dersen Lowery wrote:
I can't remember the exact name of the mission, but it's vs. Sansha and you're breaking up their attempt to collect slaves.

It's not especially hard. You clean it up, bring the Noctis in.... and a damn battleship spawns and attacks it. It's one of those things, like the fact that Dread Pirate Scarlet isn't set in a deadspace pocket, that you just have be careful of.


Rogue Slave Trader. Friend of mine use to call it the "troll mission". I hate timed spawns as well. Some missions would take less time to complete if they allowed timed spawns to appear early if the spawn ahead of it was cleared instead of having to wait for the next spawn. Enemies Abound 5 of 5 would be a lot more efficient that way.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
#79 - 2014-01-28 21:44:08 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Dersen Lowery wrote:
I can't remember the exact name of the mission, but it's vs. Sansha and you're breaking up their attempt to collect slaves.

It's not especially hard. You clean it up, bring the Noctis in.... and a damn battleship spawns and attacks it. It's one of those things, like the fact that Dread Pirate Scarlet isn't set in a deadspace pocket, that you just have be careful of.


Rogue Slave Trader. Friend of mine use to call it the "troll mission". I hate timed spawns as well. Some missions would take less time to complete if they allowed timed spawns to appear early if the spawn ahead of it was cleared instead of having to wait for the next spawn. Enemies Abound 5 of 5 would be a lot more efficient that way.

Yeah I've ran into that mission a couple times now. Mission itself wasn't so tough, but those timed spawns made me nervous knowing they could appear at any time.

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Ronny Hugo
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2014-01-29 00:59:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ronny Hugo
L4's are just a place where you shoot refined asteroids with an active self-repper. The only difference is that you have to warp back and forth all the time because the belts empty so fast. Why can't missions be 1000 waves so we do less warping?

Edit: If you wish to use the marauders to their full effect in missions, use the MJD bonus to cooldown to make it a proper sniper. Paladin can have 1000dps at 140km with relative ease (4x T2 tachyon beams are easy to fit). Hits everything for penetrating damage.