Warfare & Tactics

If you want to play WoW battlegrounds go ahead and play WoW.

This is EvE Online, so cry more.

I have only recently started to try FW and I gotta say I really like it. The ability to log in and have a good chance to get in a decent fight is nice. The gates are set to certain ship types so you get a lot more 1v1 or 2v1 fights all the time, that are far more equal than anything I have played with in 0.0. Also with a directional scan, you know where the other ship is coming from, so there should be no problems as to knowing if the ship belongs to a neut, as well as what type ship it is, and the pilots employment history. So anyone plexing has plenty of time to decide for themselves if they want to fight or run. As to the sec hit if you fire first, seems negligible considering the vast amount of neuts tha would warp to your plex are probably already flashing red anyway from previous PVP. Either way, they still have to follow the same game mechanics of ship class for the plex your at, so you are guaranteed a fair fight. And I can't help but point out there is nothing in a plex worth going to as a neut other than you. So it is a given that a neut warping to a plex is looking for a fight. Act accordingly.

Personally, I think CCP did a really good job with this. Changing it would only benefit farming and go against what low sec has always been. That is, the outskirts of the empires reach where criminals have a greater influence with a lower security presence. Think the Hoth system from Star Wars. Limited empire influence due to it's remoteness. But that is just my two cents.

I'm in amarr militia. For almost 3 months now. I joined militia as a new player and did a lot of plex farming (no stabs though :P). The only reason a neutral character enters a plex is to fight you. The OP says it's weird he needs to take the security status hit. It's legit.

This thread is also misinformative. Should a newbie read this - always shoot or run away from a neut entering your plex. Do not think, do not convo, start locking and f1.

For the emperor o7

Faction warfare without neutrals;

Faction fare.

Well then stay in low sec and deal with the sec hits if you engage a 'neutral' party.

Remember the sec status has next to nothing to do with the players 'intentions' it is how a NPC entity i.e. Concord views the player.

But TBH a lower sec status really has very little effect on your activities in eve. And if you are in FW you have the ability to easily buy tags4sec to keep you HS welcome. Just don't pod neutrals and you'll need to kill loads to become -ve enough for it to be an issue. Once again consequences for actions eh?!

That is why a savor each and every neutral pod I pop. Kind of salty with a hint of frustration.

That was a comment on preserving your sec status!

I'll pod anyone and everyone I can get my hands on!

Unless I ransom them of course

There are multiple instances of game mechanics in eve that are there just for one small effect on the game. Having sec los is there for multiple reasons both lore and economics etc.

Lore wise your are attacking a 'neutral' pilot. I keep repeating this because all the people not wanting sec loss just don't get it! In the eyes of concord YOU are the one committing an aggressive act and get penalised. This cannot be stressed enough. The 'lore' of eve is what gives it it's feeling of a living universe.

And yes as a pvp'er I feel eve is an pvp game first and foremost however the majority of eve players don't regularly engage is ship pvp (yes I know there are all aspects of pvp in eve) BUT and its a big but without the lore of eve all you have is one giant arena sandbox. While this might sound appealing to a lot of pvp'er I like the fact I can be an 'ebil piwate' or bounty hunting do good-er etc. It is this choice of activity and it's associated consequences that gives eve it's greatest attribute - a living galaxy that you can live in and affect in a variety of ways.

If you take away consequences from eve then it quickly loses it's flavour and will die. Why do you think null is so bloody empty compared to empire space? Some arguements will refer to isk v risk etc but a lot of it is that there are actual consequences in these regions of space. In eve of old there was no concord etc and fewer consequences as it was originally designed to be a player policed game as such. But in reality, even though eve has 10s of k's or players at a time, there just isn't the playerbase to enforce such a game work environment.

Basically it has a perfectly valid reason why you get the sec hit (whether you agree with the reason or not is irrelevant) so live with it or move out!

Especially at a military installation (the FW plex) when the "armed person" (neutral in a pvp ship) enters the facility. The military personnel (FW players) get arrested if they shoot the "armed neutral" after he has made threatening moves such as pointing their weapon (locking them up) at him.

Yeah, got it. Thanks fellas for helping me understand the situation. lol.

It's not an unreasonable request to have a suspect timer take effect when somebody enters a FW plex. It doesn't destroy the "Lore" of Eve. There are plenty of consequences for FW players already such as not being able to roam half of empire space and being locked out of low sec station systems in the FW zone.

You're comparing a FW plex to a military base deep behind the lines with hundreds of personnel that have the ability to incapacitate and arrest a suspicious person. This isn't really the case with a faction warfare plex. A FW plex is more like a frontier outpost with a single guard. There may be persons on this frontier roaming armed, which probably would be sensible. The military are operating under the protocol of don't shoot unless you have been shot at, which is fairly common outside the U.S. military Certainly in Northern Ireland the armed forces couldn't shoot first, only shoot back.

The roaming bandit has as much right to be in that space as any military, especially if he considers that space his home. Until that roaming bandit chooses to aggress he's a free man. You can't blame him for carrying a gun in a warzone, a warzone that belongs to him as much as it belongs to the military.

The argument for suspect timer upon entering a plex is no better that "Kill them all and let God do the rest"