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Multiple alt skill training

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Silmearendil Aredaine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-08 21:06:09 UTC
I have just started playing since Xmas, and I love this game, BUT....

Charging me more than what I am paying monthly... ie 19.95 a month to train another character is crazy! Evil

No game on this planet is worth 35 bucks a month, you have great customer service but this charge just shows you are as greedy as the jackasses at apple app store. If it was just a single charge that would be ok, but every month? This game isn't that fun, must be why WoW does better as they don't play games like you do, lol.

I will still play my main, but never an alt.

GREEDY GREEDY GREEDY
Solai
Doughfleet
Triglavian Outlaws and Sobornost Troika
#2 - 2014-01-08 21:14:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Solai
Heh.

Well, when people run a second character, they don't do it via using a PLEXing their existing account, most the time. Instead, they use a separate account. So you can log both on at the same time. And of course, its cheaper.

Additionally, many people support their alts(whether on the same or different account) by spending ISK for the PLEX, rather than real money. The last month I paid for with $$ was over a year ago.

Also, the reason why PLEX costs more than the subscription is because it imparts more options than the subscription. You can trade it for cash, or train another character on the account. So the price hike is entirely reasonable.

CCP are not greedy.
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#3 - 2014-01-08 21:22:19 UTC

It's the least evil way I've ever seen a game run. In that; I like it.

It also gives me the chance to use plex purchased with in game currency to train alt characters for PI or hauling (a difinitive period of time). You don't have to spend money on it. Someone does, but not you.

You are correct in that you should get two accounts and pay for a year sub on both - that way you're only really paying $20-22 dollars a month for two characters that you can play in game at the same time.

Bringing up world of why bother is a good way to make the community rabid. I, like some others of this community, believe that people coming from other games should reflect back on the near 11 years this game has been around with growing membership rather than the mass popularity of an MMO with a good UI that has recently lost over 1/2 of it's membership (from high to lowpoint in the games history). If you were going to say - Ultima Online does it better... I would say you were closer to the mark; but there again that while it has the history of Eve has not managed to stay relevant and increase subscribers.

I just think you have undervalued the eve prospect, and that you sir, are greedy for wanting too much for too little.
Silmearendil Aredaine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-01-08 21:45:54 UTC
Solai wrote:
Heh.

Well, when people run a second character, they don't do it via using a PLEXing their existing account, most the time. Instead, they use a separate account. So you can log both on at the same time. And of course, its cheaper.

Additionally, many people support their alts(whether on the same or different account) by spending ISK for the PLEX, rather than real money. The last month I paid for with $$ was over a year ago.

Also, the reason why PLEX costs more than the subscription is because it imparts more options than the subscription. You can trade it for cash, or train another character on the account. So the price hike is entirely reasonable.

CCP are not greedy.



This is a very good idea, hadn't considered it. The entire situation could be better explained on the eve website. I guess I am a jolly codger, lol... 53 and still playing games... thanx for your reply
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-01-08 21:48:34 UTC
Plex is a great system. though it has annoyed me that you have to pay more than a normal subscription for dual character training. I always thought it should have been one plex for training all three characters. ($10/mo for the account and $5/mo per character). It doesn't make sense that its cheaper to create a new account than train additional characters on the current one.

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Silmearendil Aredaine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-01-08 21:49:43 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:



I just think you have undervalued the eve prospect, and that you sir, are greedy for wanting too much for too little.


Hardly greedy, handicapped and living on less than $750 a month. As for WoW, I agree as they have many problems, biggest is a single player with no wish to party with 12 year olds with filthy mouths has no way to progress. This is why I cancelled with them.

We will see if Eve has value, if I play it for 8 years like I have WoW you will have proven your point.

Thanx for the reply, hugs!
Silmearendil Aredaine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-01-08 21:51:09 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Plex is a great system. though it has annoyed me that you have to pay more than a normal subscription for dual character training. I always thought it should have been one plex for training all three characters. ($10/mo for the account and $5/mo per character). It doesn't make sense that its cheaper to create a new account than train additional characters on the current one.



I agree with this 100%!!!!

Thanx for your reply!
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#8 - 2014-01-08 22:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Multiple character training didn't used to be possible at all. It was ironically added to save people money, because previously you would have to start up a new account, train on that, and then when you were all done, pay a fee to transfer it back to your main account.


Not that I endorse comparing EVE to other RPGs as they really are not comparable, but if you must: there are none on the market that will let you simultaneously progress with multiple characters. You must stop progressing on one (ie log off of it) in order to progress on another.

However, a better reason is that you're not supposed to be able to do everything, and if everyone was able to train 3 characters constantly, then it would

a) Pressure everyone to keep up on three characters worth of skill training or be at a disadvantage, which would be a pain in the ****, and

b) Greatly dumb down specialization because everyone could have a character to do everything.



Lastly: Even if you did have a point, and EVE was more expensive...So? Not all products are the same, not all products are going to cost the same, and that's okay. Even if you were correct and EVE costs more than other games, free time is worth enough that I will still choose the one that gives me the most enjoyment.\
Quote:

19.95 a month to train another character is crazy!


Why are you paying $20/month? The subscription fee is $15/month, and lower if you pay for multiple months.
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#9 - 2014-01-08 22:58:42 UTC
Noxisia Arkana wrote:
If you were going to say - Ultima Online does it better... I would say you were closer to the mark
qft at least up until AoS (I started around launch). They always had this grudge/competition with SOE: EQ, and sold out when introducing gear grind making skills less relevant.. unless you "scrolled" them up. imo it hurt pvp more than even that earlier Disneyland expansion, which was their first move to be more like an EQ clone. And that comparison still remains, such as with GW2 where I saw a lot of UO:AoS+ forward thinking in their systems (e.g. luck suits etc), which I think is backwards thinking for a sandbox let alone for a progression theme park game.
And yes, WoW is the epitome of the progression themepark game, quite disturbing, quite. I wish it had never been developed, has only cause problems for the genre with gold digger developers trying to copy it or convert their existing games to it's flavor. It's a bane.

Wait, what was the topic? Oh, pay by the year... or at least half-year. You can run two accounts for what you seem to be paying. After a year, you could probably plex you're accounts easy enough. If still too much for now, just train one character on one account. Generally that is all that is needed at least early on. Support characters are easy enough to plex when you have some game income and need one, which takes time.


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Silmearendil Aredaine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-01-08 23:05:48 UTC
Omega Sunset wrote:

Wait, what was the topic? Oh, pay by the year... or at least half-year. You can run two accounts for what you seem to be paying. After a year, you could probably plex you're accounts easy enough. If still too much for now, just train one character on one account. Generally that is all that is needed at least early on. Support characters are easy enough to plex when you have some game income and need one, which takes time.





That is good advice, ty for the reply
Silmearendil Aredaine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-08 23:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Silmearendil Aredaine
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Multiple character training didn't used to be possible at all. It was ironically added to save people money, because previously you would have to start up a new account, train on that, and then when you were all done, pay a fee to transfer it back to your main account.


Not that I endorse comparing EVE to other RPGs as they really are not comparable, but if you must: there are none on the market that will let you simultaneously progress with multiple characters. You must stop progressing on one (ie log off of it) in order to progress on another.

However, a better reason is that you're not supposed to be able to do everything, and if everyone was able to train 3 characters constantly, then it would

a) Pressure everyone to keep up on three characters worth of skill training or be at a disadvantage, which would be a pain in the ****, and

b) Greatly dumb down specialization because everyone could have a character to do everything.



Lastly: Even if you did have a point, and EVE was more expensive...So? Not all products are the same, not all products are going to cost the same, and that's okay. Even if you were correct and EVE costs more than other games, free time is worth enough that I will still choose the one that gives me the most enjoyment.\
Quote:

19.95 a month to train another character is crazy!


Why are you paying $20/month? The subscription fee is $15/month, and lower if you pay for multiple months.


Had you entirely quoted me you wouldn't have made that mistake, I said...
Charging me more than what I am paying monthly... ie 19.95 a month to train another character is crazy!

ie Im paying 14.95 and 19.95 is more for a second character.. crazy!
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-01-08 23:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Silmearendil Aredaine wrote:
I have just started playing since Xmas, and I love this game, BUT....

Charging me more than what I am paying monthly... ie 19.95 a month to train another character is crazy! Evil

No game on this planet is worth 35 bucks a month, you have great customer service but this charge just shows you are as greedy as the jackasses at apple app store. If it was just a single charge that would be ok, but every month? This game isn't that fun, must be why WoW does better as they don't play games like you do, lol.

I will still play my main, but never an alt.

GREEDY GREEDY GREEDY


And tell me any other game where you can advance 2 characters on same account simultaneously...

And NOBODY is forcing you to double train or use multiple accounts.

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Silmearendil Aredaine
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-09 01:30:24 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Silmearendil Aredaine wrote:
I have just started playing since Xmas, and I love this game, BUT....

Charging me more than what I am paying monthly... ie 19.95 a month to train another character is crazy! Evil

No game on this planet is worth 35 bucks a month, you have great customer service but this charge just shows you are as greedy as the jackasses at apple app store. If it was just a single charge that would be ok, but every month? This game isn't that fun, must be why WoW does better as they don't play games like you do, lol.

I will still play my main, but never an alt.

GREEDY GREEDY GREEDY


And tell me any other game where you can advance 2 characters on same account simultaneously...

And NOBODY is forcing you to double train or use multiple accounts.


It has to do with the price, not the mechanics
Omega Sunset
Black.Omega
#14 - 2014-01-09 02:01:24 UTC
Silmearendil Aredaine wrote:


It has to do with the price, not the mechanics
Well it's pretty even actually. I mean like when I wanted to train an alt on my account (as I have with some 5m SP), I had to pause one character and switch to the other (grr and he still needs more training now since the epansion). There is not really any game where you can train two characters at the same time on the same account. The only way to do it is to open another account and multi-box (fond memories of UO doing that hah). But to do that here, or anywhere, costs extra money. But yes, for the one account flat monthly price you still have three characters and train them just like in any other game, one at a time. As for plex, they go on sale a lot, so even if not buying them with ISK there is still a time when they are not at full price to buy them, and quite often.

Just depends on your long-term goals. The way it looks, plex to train is more for low skill SP alts. If you are going to train for a long time, a second account is better, power of two. Even if the plan is just for a year or something, you can train on the second account and transfer them to your primary account for two plex once training is complete. Other option is to just buy a trained character from someone else and transfer it to your account.

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-01-09 02:10:39 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Plex is a great system. though it has annoyed me that you have to pay more than a normal subscription for dual character training. I always thought it should have been one plex for training all three characters. ($10/mo for the account and $5/mo per character). It doesn't make sense that its cheaper to create a new account than train additional characters on the current one.


I know why. It starts as..."Oh...I'll just train Cara for a month or two until she can fly in RvB." And then you get attached. And then it ends as "wow this is too expensive, I'll just create a second account."

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#16 - 2014-01-09 02:11:28 UTC
Silmearendil Aredaine wrote:
I have just started playing since Xmas, and I love this game, BUT....

Charging me more than what I am paying monthly... ie 19.95 a month to train another character is crazy! Evil


No other game lets you train two characters at the same time at all.

Quote:


No game on this planet is worth 35 bucks a month, you have great customer service but this charge just shows you are as greedy as the jackasses at apple app store.



That is a very personal statement, but considering that people spend thousands of dollars a month on games like poker, tennis, golf, or whatever, I'd not expect too many other people to have the same opinion.

Quote:


If it was just a single charge that would be ok, but every month? This game isn't that fun, must be why WoW does better as they don't play games like you do, lol.


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Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-09 05:11:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobby Frutt
Yeah, WoW has a better subscription service. Because, ya know, WoW allows you to go a full year without paying a single dollar for 6 accounts like I have. Roll

Sarcasm aside (sorry, had to :P) find something in-game that gives good profits that you don't mind doing somewhat routinely and use it as a means of initiating that second character training. Or better yet, put the second character on another account so you can use both at once to make ISKies.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-01-09 10:08:18 UTC
Silmearendil Aredaine wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Silmearendil Aredaine wrote:
I have just started playing since Xmas, and I love this game, BUT....

Charging me more than what I am paying monthly... ie 19.95 a month to train another character is crazy! Evil

No game on this planet is worth 35 bucks a month, you have great customer service but this charge just shows you are as greedy as the jackasses at apple app store. If it was just a single charge that would be ok, but every month? This game isn't that fun, must be why WoW does better as they don't play games like you do, lol.

I will still play my main, but never an alt.

GREEDY GREEDY GREEDY


And tell me any other game where you can advance 2 characters on same account simultaneously...

And NOBODY is forcing you to double train or use multiple accounts.


It has to do with the price, not the mechanics


Again. Nobody is forcing you to pay more then the initial sub for your accounts.

And if you make enough ISK you can even fund endless amounts of alts without paying a single dime of real currency by buying gametime from the in game market.

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#19 - 2014-01-10 07:24:27 UTC
Hey, nothing wrong with refusing to use an alt. I have been playing for 2-3 years and simply never needed one, although I agree it could be handy... it also cheapens co-op game mechanics to such an extend, it would cripple my enjoyment anyway. I might rethink this stance when I get into capital ships but as it stands... I won't get into capital ships before I rethink that stance. If you don't plan for activities requiring an alt because 'trust' issues prevent you from asking a friend, you don't really need one.