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You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships in hi-sec

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2014-01-08 19:14:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
March rabbit wrote:

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CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.
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it looks like after getting bumped 2 or more times you simply can report bumper for griefing.....
You appear to have missed the clarifications in follow up posts.
GM Karidor wrote:
Hannott Thanos wrote:
I simply noted that it seems that it is still legal to implicitly harass someone by setting up bumper gangs in every belt that one person mines in, as long as they target everyone, not just that one individual. Or am I mistaken here?
You are mistaken. If you are reported and we find you actively following around a target without a war to continue bumping a specific player, it will still (at some point) considered harassment, even if you divert your 'attention' a little while doing so. If you have a bone to pick with someone, declare a war and take the risk that your target may actually taste blood and fight back (or finds allies for that part).

Runeme Shilter wrote:
Does "move to another location" mean another Ice-Asteroid? Or another belt? Another system?
While it will involve inconvenience, we will have to see that one actively tried evasion before we consider someone being followed around and harassed. Merely changing belts in the same system or moving a few thousand meters to another asteroid would not qualify in this regard. Ideally you would move to other systems and more than just one or two jumps to avoid being found again quickly, requiring some effort to locate you again (i.e. through locator agents).

Benny Ohu wrote:
if a bumper was extorting in a system, then later moved to another system and bumped a player that had previously moved on, not because the bumper was following the other player but because the other player was in the bumper's new area, is that a situation that 'by itself' is harassment?
Depends, see the answer to the quote above which should cover this as well. If the victim just moved next door, that could still be interpreted as 'general area of operation', if the miner starts changing regions and is still being followed around by the same person that keeps bumping in a regular manner then the intent is pretty clear. Note that I said person, not character, so regional alts will be considered be the same player in this regard.


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Doomheim
#22 - 2014-01-08 19:15:07 UTC
Why not make it interesting though?

Anyone bumped by a suspect/criminal will get the same flag, let the Jita undock bowling party carnage begin.
Favonius85
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2014-01-08 19:16:13 UTC
This idea has my support, you can always trust a man with no eyebrows.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#24 - 2014-01-08 19:35:19 UTC
Bobby Frutt wrote:

The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.


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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#25 - 2014-01-08 19:48:43 UTC
Do you know what blows my mind the most?

It is not the fact that people can get ganked in highsec, that the carebear's are worried about.

It is the fact that they are being bumped.

I mean really, wtf?

Has the world suddenly switched poles and human psychology changed because of it?

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Josef Djugashvilis
#26 - 2014-01-08 19:51:07 UTC
Lordy, not this again...

I thought duplicate, pointless threads were supposed to get locked...

Here's hoping.

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Dr Z3r0
Binary Logistics Inc.
#27 - 2014-01-08 20:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Z3r0
miner bumping is a thing

thread bumping is not allowed here O_O



devs say its ok its ok

much worse that can be worried about in new eden




seriously


who bumped this ****














Pirate
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#28 - 2014-01-08 20:02:56 UTC
Dr Z3r0 wrote:
bump


Quote:
14. Bumping outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channels is prohibited.
The bumping of posts to alter the order of the thread listing on a forum is prohibited outside the EVE Marketplace and Alliance & Corporation Recruitment forum channels. Within the EVE Marketplace section of the forums, each forum category has its own rules regarding acceptable bumping for sales threads clearly listed in the stickies. Similarly the Alliance & Corporation Recruitment channel also has its own rules. Please be aware that the rules vary from forum to forum. Please review the sticky threads in these forum channels for specific details.


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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#29 - 2014-01-08 20:30:24 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, not this again...

I thought duplicate, pointless threads were supposed to get locked...

Here's hoping.


Jo Jeff. I totally agree. These constant, multiple posts about the same thing serve no purpose at all.

I would prefer a single threadnaught over the course of a millennium over 1000 daily posts about the same, tired, stupid thing.

Here are three reasons why the people who assault us with these threads repeatedly (harassment?) need to stop posting:

Barge/Exhumer EHP buffs
CONCORD not being tankable buff
Drone Poop nerf

NO MORE CHANGES - Play the game as it is or don't. It's an easy decision.

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-01-08 20:33:00 UTC
Read it. Learn it. Love it.

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kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-01-08 20:45:00 UTC
Favonius85 wrote:
This idea has my support, you can always trust a man with no eyebrows.


You can NEVER trust a man with no eyebrows.

I learnt this lesson the hard way after a very unpleasant experience of borrowing a lighter from a man with no eyebrows.


Also, I'm still really into the idea someone else in *another* miner bumping thread (called "Bumping miners" or something) brought up - that the miners should bump back. Big smile

I'm convinced that they would garner even greater enjoyment from the game if they did this.
Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-01-08 20:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tweek Etimua
Off topic: the oper sure is tyring hard to make eve soft. Stop it.

Bumping, a good strategy. I my self am surprised that so few people do it. Although it is verry frustating to get bumped, ecm'd and even alpha'd. HOWEVER its eve. Its a hard game. If you can't handle the ammount of difficulty there are plenty of other mmos that are soft.
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#33 - 2014-01-08 20:54:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Chastot
Bobby Frutt wrote:


The whole point here is to balance the mechanics of bumping with the increased security that comes with hi-sec.





you should feel bad as this post is bad

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-01-08 21:00:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Bobby Frutt wrote:
In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.

The problem with this is it breaks game balance. Activating a warp scrambler or disruptor on a random target in hi-sec will illicit a CONCORD response. Keep in mind, the only purpose of a warp scrambler/disruptor module is to prevent a ship from warping away.
Now we ask ourselves: Why does it illicit a CONCORD response?
If the only purpose is the prevent a ship from warping away, the only answer is that it illicits a CONCORD response because you attempted to prevent their ship from warping away.

Why then should the same reasoning not apply to bumping? Bumping someone as they try to warp away at a gate has the exact same affect as a module that is considered criminal; should the bumping not be considered criminal too? The problem with that is everyone and their mother would end up being a criminal. The entire Jita undock would just be criminals!

My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships. Add a feature where you can simply turn yourself suspect with the click of a button. Now that you are suspect, you can try and bump that freighter out of alignment! The difference is, people can now shoot you at least. That's balanced. That's fair.

Bumping in wardecs, FW targets, fellow corp members, WH/Null should still work as it does now. The whole point here is to balance the mechanics of bumping with the increased security that comes with hi-sec.

The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.





The idea is as beutiful as the face of your avatar.... Woudl love it altough jsut watch jita undock and kill everybody undockign because of this dumb idea... because without bumpign people would get STUCK there! I for once woudl park a few freighters blockign every body exit.. so they woudl need to becoem criminals to push me out while my other chars woudl kill them.

Incredble game design...r eally

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The Legendary Soldier
United.
#35 - 2014-01-08 21:11:46 UTC  |  Edited by: The Legendary Soldier
Tippia wrote:

Not really, no, since you can still trivially get away if all they do is bump you. The ease of escaping it matches the ease of doing it — balance.


For a miner this is probably true, but a freighter can be bumped virtually indefinitely, without the bumper
being flagged for retaliation - this does seem a little unbalanced...

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The Legendary Soldier
United.
#36 - 2014-01-08 21:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: The Legendary Soldier
double

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Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-01-08 21:18:05 UTC
no

matter of fact, Hell No

just for the sake of argument, five newbie frigs park near a mackinaw.

Mackinaw moves, bumps, Concord reacts

gun free gank

so as I said

NO

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#38 - 2014-01-08 21:21:42 UTC
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
Tippia wrote:

Not really, no, since you can still trivially get away if all they do is bump you. The ease of escaping it matches the ease of doing it — balance.


For a miner this is probably true, but a freighter can be bumped virtually indefinitely, without the bumper
being flagged for retaliation - this does seem a little unbalanced...


Yes because the freighter pilot is just itching to pull the trigger on his.... ??? in retaliation.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2014-01-08 21:28:32 UTC
The Legendary Soldier wrote:
For a miner this is probably true, but a freighter can be bumped virtually indefinitely, without the bumper
being flagged for retaliation - this does seem a little unbalanced...

The ship type is not a factor. You can get away as trivially regardless.
Atog Uz
Help Desk Please Hold
#40 - 2014-01-08 21:32:31 UTC
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage


I am actually surprised that it doesn't on this game.

As a new player, who had played World of Tanks, I was in fear of smearing my little frigate on some larger ship.

I mean realistically, you go smashing into a much larger target at high speed you will cause/take some damage.