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You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships in hi-sec

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Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-08 18:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobby Frutt
In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.

The problem with this is it breaks game balance. Activating a warp scrambler or disruptor on a random target in hi-sec will illicit a CONCORD response. Keep in mind, the only purpose of a warp scrambler/disruptor module is to prevent a ship from warping away.
Now we ask ourselves: Why does it illicit a CONCORD response?
If the only purpose is the prevent a ship from warping away, the only answer is that it illicits a CONCORD response because you attempted to prevent their ship from warping away.

Why then should the same reasoning not apply to bumping? Bumping someone as they try to warp away at a gate has the exact same affect as a module that is considered criminal; should the bumping not be considered criminal too? The problem with that is everyone and their mother would end up being a criminal. The entire Jita undock would just be criminals!

My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships in hi-sec. Add a feature where you can simply turn yourself suspect with the click of a button. Now that you are suspect, you can try and bump that freighter out of alignment! The difference is, people can now shoot you at least. That's balanced. That's fair.

"There needs to be a few exceptions..."
Absolutely. Bumping in wardecs, FW targets and between corp members should still work as it does now. Once in a fleet all members should as well collide with one another. The whole point here is to balance the mechanics of bumping with the increased security that comes with hi-sec.

The downside to this is that places like Jita undock will look ridiculous, with ships passing through eachother all the time. I would say that is a small price to pay for fixing the current bumping mechanics.
Holgrak Blacksmith
Prophets of Motav
#2 - 2014-01-08 18:45:54 UTC
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Pix Severus
Empty You
#3 - 2014-01-08 18:46:02 UTC
Dude, your face..

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#4 - 2014-01-08 18:46:14 UTC
Search is your friend.

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Silvetica Dian
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Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-01-08 18:50:55 UTC
admiral root wrote:
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#6 - 2014-01-08 18:51:52 UTC
I support this. Everyone that ever undocks from Jita or Amarr should be flagged as suspect. Make it happen CCP.
Dave Stark
#7 - 2014-01-08 18:53:59 UTC
can we just cut out the middleman and go with:

no.
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#8 - 2014-01-08 18:55:46 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Dude, your face..


He accidentally bumped a beehive, knocking himself out of alignment and so was stung multiple times before he could warp off. That explains the post and the face.

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2014-01-08 18:56:59 UTC
GM says no.

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Kimmi Chan
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#10 - 2014-01-08 18:57:00 UTC
Holy ****! Are we just going to start another thread? Why not just keep it all on one thread and stop posting the same damn thing over and over.

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Thatt Guy
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-01-08 18:57:57 UTC
remove bumping

Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2014-01-08 18:58:54 UTC
Bobby Frutt wrote:
In it's current form, bumping can be used as a means of keeping people unaligned and thus disallowing them to warp.

The problem with this is it breaks game balance.
Not really, no, since you can still trivially get away if all they do is bump you. The ease of escaping it matches the ease of doing it — balance.

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My proposed solution is simple: You should have to be a suspect, criminal or engaged in combat to bump other ships.
Your proposed breakage is ridiculously complex and doesn't solve anything.
Kryptik Kai
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#13 - 2014-01-08 18:59:04 UTC
Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage

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The Troll Bridge
#14 - 2014-01-08 19:03:27 UTC
Grrrrrrrr Bumping thread# 44,573,221

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Habemus
#15 - 2014-01-08 19:05:15 UTC
Jita undock will be special.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2014-01-08 19:05:51 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
Dude, your face..
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-08 19:09:00 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

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CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis.
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it looks like after getting bumped 2 or more times you simply can report bumper for griefing.....

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2014-01-08 19:10:35 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
it looks like after getting bumped 2 or more times you simply can report bumper for griefing.....

Not really, no.
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2014-01-08 19:11:21 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
I support this. Everyone that ever undocks from Jita or Amarr should be flagged as suspect. Make it happen CCP.



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Jill Chastot
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Goonswarm Federation
#20 - 2014-01-08 19:12:21 UTC
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Oh for the days when bumping actually caused a slight bit of damage


inb4 new order gan... i mean bump squads roam the universe

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