EVE General Discussion

Every single balance pass with teircide has been modified after players were given the ships to test which has resulted in very few bad or overpowered ships.

T3s are going to be getting a savage nerf to turn them into the cruisers they are meant to be.

Let me explain something. What you THINK does nto care. CCP devs disagree with you, most of the inteligent community disagree with you. And no matter how much wishful thinking you have. T3 will be nerfed.... All tiercide has been opposite direction of what you believe.

You will fall... and we will be here.. to laugh at you... even more

Let me explain something to you :)

Not much if anything is yet known about T3 rebalancing. What individual players think definitely does matter. While the devs typically ignore player feedback; enough of a backlash to unpopular changes will prevent or unnerf planned nerfs.

I havent seen any developer consensus one way or the other regarding T3. You exxagerate.

Regarding most of "the intelligent" community disagreeing with me, so the vast majority agree then?

Im all for diversity of hulls and multiple hull roles (ie fleet, gang, solo roles for T1 BS)

If T3 are nerfed the way it appears dweebs want (T3 between T1and T2 cruisers) it will be the opposite of tiericide. Simply another generic strngth ship midway between cruiser HAC. Very tier like.

We know that they will be between t1 and t2 cruisers, either on par with faction or slightly better. This means a hefty nerf and no chance of them keeping the battleship tanks. CCP have stated that they will be getting hit by a sledge hammer in most areas with improvements to the underpowered sub systems. They are going to be highly adaptable cruisers and not highly manoeuvrable pocket battleships the size of a cruiser.

How is that the opposite of tiericide? As it stands right now T3s are very clearly in a different 'tier' to all the other cruisers, with ehp, dps, and damage application being in some cases several times greater than T1, T2 and faction cruisers performing a similar role.

And inb4 the bullshit about the on paper figures not being representative of the real ingame effectiveness I'll give the real ingame example of a proteus facetanking my 1500 dps vindicator for 10 minutes... buffer fit... and only getting to 1/3rd armour...

Of course theyre in a different tier theyre Tech Three ffs.

As for facetanking a 1500 dps Vindi for 5 minute the issue is likely not a T3 problem its a large gun / sig / speed / tracking problem, depending on the situation, gang links / boosters / tracking disruptors its possible for large turret based shipstobe rendered useless against smaller targets.

We had a slow day at work and quess what I spent a good hour reading ;)

I get a kick out of how people forget that damn near everything in EVE has a counter. If you know what you are going up against you can almost always fit a ship to counter it regardless of what is fighting what. Considering that, these fits can still happen by chance.

Also.. 1V1 a BS will kill a Cruiser more then half the time.

To answer the OP's bulllcrap question. I dont have favorite fits or ships since it all depends on the use but overall my favorite BS is an Abaddon and my favorite BC is a Harby. At least within the same race like asked. If I was somehow able to magically fight myself in those two ships.. the battleship would win every time.

The OP asked why people fly BS's, and she (although probably he) got there answer 10 fold. There are a LOT of reasons to fly s battleship and the OP was told those reasons. Although apparently the OP has a hard on against BS's and just is not willing to accept an honest answer.

Also as far as battleship PVP goes. Close range guns,a point, and a web are basically default. Considering this, your speed tank means ****. Assuming the person you are fighting is not a noob. You will more often then not have to put yourself into a position that will allow the BS to warp away in order to kill a T1 BS in a T3,. granted all kinds of things can happen and that is why I love this game, but we are talking majorities, and what i refer to is most common.

Not to mention that a T1 BS cost a bit less then a T3 and if you are doing PVP you already have plans on replacing said ship. At least you should. If you do not, you are doing it wrong. Ive actually gotton to the point that I refuse to fly T3's because there is almost always something cheaper that does what a T3 can do.

If you want to ask a REAL question.. why the hell would you fly a strategic cruiser over something else?

Why?

Like, I get that T3s are blatantly overpowered at the moment. They absolutely need a nerf, they're probably some of, if not the, best subcaps at the moment.

But why between T1 and T2? T3s take more training than T2s (generally), cost more (though this isn't usually a factor for CCP), and are inherently riskier to fly due to the SP loss. Why should that put them between T1 and T2?

I can see a need for something between normal cruisers and HACs, for example, but I thought that's what faction cruisers were for.

I'm honestly confused why "between T1 and T2" is the sweet spot, rather than "slightly above T2" rather than the current "if you can fly this, do it" they are right now.

Because that was kind of the intent all along: their strength was adaptability, not raw power.
And because the point of T2 is specialisation in one area, with very little adaptability.

So T3s will be worse than T2 in any given task for which there is a specialised T2 ship, but they will still offer an upgrade over the baseline of T1. Like now, they'll have about the same training requirement as T2, but what you'll be buying with that time is a jack-of-all-trades rather than master at one.

Ideally the would bridge the gap between different specialties combining into ships that have their own appeal without directly competing. A hard trick to pull off, but probably a worthwhile goal.

Where was that stated?