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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#81 - 2014-01-07 18:36:15 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Quote:
This structure prevents anything inside its 30km radius from appearing on either DScan or Probe Scans. The Scan Inhibitor structure itself however does show up on both types of scan and is very easy to probe down.


What's the problem?


Go ahead and warp on over there, you'll find out.

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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#82 - 2014-01-07 18:39:10 UTC
This Structure will have little to no impact, they show up on scanner, so straight away the would be attackers will know your trying to hide something,

Also they are easy to probe down which makes you that much easier to find.

Then all they gotta do is send in a cloaky scout to see what your trying to hide, if its something worthwhile the scouts gang can then warp in right on top of you.

Same with mission runners trying to hide their pimped out mission ships, all it will do is make you more of a target and easier to probe down.

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Um Winning
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-01-07 18:44:55 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
The unlimited micro jump module is carebear love, so they can hop around in their mission pockets faster. Makes it even harder for a mission flipper to get tackle on an agressing bear as an added nerf hisec bonus.
What about Fleet Fights that become more mobile etc, gives a greater advantage over the entire battlefield? Ok Carebear love GG

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
The dscan/probe hiding module is clearly carebear love, so again they have another layer of protection between them and the mission flipping pirate. The pirate must now actually warp (or his cloaky alt) into the bears pocket to see whats actually there, slowing down his overall flipping output considerably.
Clearly Carebear love lol, it will provide protection / hoodwinking for everyone, not just Ratters.. QQ for having to mash a few more buttons, awww

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
And of course the existing modules like the tractor unit have way too many structure hitpoints, making it far to difficult to kill said ship-launched structure before the little bear reels it back into cargo again. Structure hitpoints on these modules s/b a third of what they are -- their shields and armor as well, they are fricking ship-launched temporary modules for crying out loud.
Can't tell if being serious, so .. yea

Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
In summary, all I see here is an intent to provide nerf-hisec carebear love, dressed up as functionality for all players.
The summary being that you couldn't be less shortsighted as to the applications for these modules, instead of thinking 'L33TPVP Vs Ratters', however panic not.. I'm sure people will bolster up and get on with it.


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Dave Stark
#84 - 2014-01-07 18:56:56 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Pix Severus wrote:
Quote:
This structure prevents anything inside its 30km radius from appearing on either DScan or Probe Scans. The Scan Inhibitor structure itself however does show up on both types of scan and is very easy to probe down.


What's the problem?


Go ahead and warp on over there, you'll find out.


500k frigate hull to have a look at what you spent more than 500k trying to hide? sounds like a win for me every time.
Dave Stark
#85 - 2014-01-07 18:58:02 UTC
Amateratsu wrote:
Then all they gotta do is send in a cloaky scout to see what your trying to hide,

it's a warp bubble isn't it?
i bet it's a warp bubble.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#86 - 2014-01-07 19:15:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Amateratsu wrote:
Then all they gotta do is send in a cloaky scout to see what your trying to hide,

it's a warp bubble isn't it?
i bet it's a warp bubble.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#87 - 2014-01-07 19:27:59 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Unless the scout is driving an Inty... As has already been pointed out.

Which negates the advantage of being able to warp cloaked, which I shouldn't need to point out.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#88 - 2014-01-07 19:32:15 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Unless the scout is driving an Inty... As has already been pointed out.

Which negates the advantage of being able to warp cloaked, which I shouldn't need to point out.

Eh. True enough. But so what? As previously noted elsewhere in the thread, I'd start the scouting in an Inty, myself.

Drop a few BM's along the way, take a screen-cap, prep the ground for the cloaky's later arrival. It's not conceptually difficult to work around the Bubble-in-a-Box scenario. Might take a few fails to turn theory into practice, but it's do-able.

Edit:
Actually, Sentries-in-a-Box might be one of the nastier scenarios. That should pot a few Intys.

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Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#89 - 2014-01-07 19:34:54 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Try to think out of the box and think about how you can use new tools to your advantage instead of thinking of how they put you at a disadvantage and make easy kills harder.

This module will greatly increase subterfuge tactics.

The only people who think "outside the box" in EVE before weeping epic amounts and running off to the boards to talk about EVE dying are fleet theorycrafters, and whenever they come up with something cool, the nonparticipating masses (those not cool with the idea of having to come up with a counter) weep epic amounts and run off to the boards to talk about EVE dying.

Every time something new is added to EVE, it's dying. It has been dying from expansion for a decade.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2014-01-07 19:39:02 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Try to think out of the box and think about how you can use new tools to your advantage instead of thinking of how they put you at a disadvantage and make easy kills harder.

This module will greatly increase subterfuge tactics.

The only people who think "outside the box" in EVE before weeping epic amounts and running off to the boards to talk about EVE dying are fleet theorycrafters, and whenever they come up with something cool, the nonparticipating masses (those not cool with the idea of having to come up with a counter) weep epic amounts and run off to the boards to talk about EVE dying.

Every time something new is added to EVE, it's dying. It has been dying from expansion for a decade.

So I take it you're talking about those people who think they need caps to kill subcaps.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#91 - 2014-01-07 19:39:59 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Logical 101 wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Try to think out of the box and think about how you can use new tools to your advantage instead of thinking of how they put you at a disadvantage and make easy kills harder.

This module will greatly increase subterfuge tactics.

The only people who think "outside the box" in EVE before weeping epic amounts and running off to the boards to talk about EVE dying are fleet theorycrafters, and whenever they come up with something cool, the nonparticipating masses (those not cool with the idea of having to come up with a counter) weep epic amounts and run off to the boards to talk about EVE dying.

Every time something new is added to EVE, it's dying. It has been dying from expansion for a decade.

So I take it you're talking about those people who think they need caps to kill subcaps.

You're on the right track.

+1
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2014-01-07 19:41:46 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Drop a few BM's along the way, take a screen-cap, prep the ground for the cloaky's later arrival. It's not conceptually difficult to work around the Bubble-in-a-Box scenario. Might take a few fails to turn theory into practice, but it's do-able.

Edit:
Actually, Sentries-in-a-Box might be one of the nastier scenarios. That should pot a few Intys.

There are far too many issues with both modules (especially in conjunction) in their current state. I especially don't think it's responsible to release a module that alters the state of intel in EVE when the entire system will be overhauled.

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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#93 - 2014-01-07 19:49:33 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
makes the role of scouts more important.


As currently iterated, it will make the role of nullsec scout obsolete, unless your scout happens to be sitting in a nullfied T3.


Don't you have a cloak.

Scan down, active cloak, warp in, report back to your comrades what you can actually see with your eyes.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#94 - 2014-01-07 19:51:56 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Drop a few BM's along the way, take a screen-cap, prep the ground for the cloaky's later arrival. It's not conceptually difficult to work around the Bubble-in-a-Box scenario. Might take a few fails to turn theory into practice, but it's do-able.

Edit:
Actually, Sentries-in-a-Box might be one of the nastier scenarios. That should pot a few Intys.

There are far too many issues with both modules (especially in conjunction) in their current state. I especially don't think it's responsible to release a module that alters the state of intel in EVE when the entire system will be overhauled.

OK, now that's a different kettle of fish.

I can see where you're coming from. I disagree.
I don't anticipate that the maskers are doing to make that big a difference, in the face of intelligent scouting. What it should do, I anticipate, is make intelligence-gathering much more dynamic and interesting. Which I consider to be a good thing. What it will do, I anticpate, is raise the cost of failure to scout intelligently. Which I also find to be a good thing. And probably intensely funny, to boot.

If later it is overhauled, then I will adapt. I always have. I can't see that I'd stop doing that in the future. I would expect the same from any half-way competent player or organization.

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#95 - 2014-01-07 20:09:45 UTC
AFK play is quite legit, therefore your whole premise is flawed.

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are serious business sir.

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Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#96 - 2014-01-07 20:10:16 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
I would expect the same from any half-way competent player or organization.

And what percentage of EVE corporations and/or alliances would you say are "competent" as opposed to "collections of whiny pissbags who can't see further than their severely outdated operating doctrines"?
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#97 - 2014-01-07 20:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
Logical 101 wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
I would expect the same from any half-way competent player or organization.

And what percentage of EVE corporations and/or alliances would you say are "competent" as opposed to "collections of whiny pissbags who can't see further than their severely outdated operating doctrines"?

Oh, relatively few. Which is why I specified 'half-way.' I include myself in the category of 'half-way.' To be honest, I don't much care about anyone below me and my corp(s) in this particular discussion - Anyone below that level of competence isn't going to notice any difference anyway; they're too busy suffering the slings and arrorws of incompetence to notice the difference.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#98 - 2014-01-07 20:44:00 UTC
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#99 - 2014-01-07 20:57:14 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Chribba wrote:
I can see use for this! Awesome!

I'm so glad you're not in charge of balancing anything. May you never be.

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Tweek Etimua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2014-01-07 21:29:21 UTC
It had better work in fw plexs