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Not great PVP game as it's marketing campraign says

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Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#101 - 2014-01-07 16:45:01 UTC
I am disposable wrote:


PVP in EVE is not like PVP in other games. Deal with it.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#102 - 2014-01-07 18:25:18 UTC
How some people of you talk for the feature I would like and all of you have gang kills or fleets vs fleets?

How you talk for 1 vs 1 PVP?

After all this feature can be added and if you don t like it you simply won tt do 1 vs 1.Things are simple.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Sigras
Conglomo
#103 - 2014-01-07 18:32:05 UTC
Again im going to state that this is a sandbox game.

You want a 1v1 arena where players fleet up first to be sure there are no boosters involved guess what? you can start one! If you're too lazy to do that then apparently you dont want it enough.

Saying this game doesnt have great PvP because there is no 1v1 in the particular way you want it is moronic and borderline narcissistic.

That being said you're probably going to ignore this post like you did the last one because you dont have a response to it.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#104 - 2014-01-07 18:38:30 UTC
Sigras wrote:
Again im going to state that this is a sandbox game.

You want a 1v1 arena where players fleet up first to be sure there are no boosters involved guess what? you can start one! If you're too lazy to do that then apparently you dont want it enough.

Saying this game doesnt have great PvP because there is no 1v1 in the particular way you want it is moronic and borderline narcissistic.

That being said you're probably going to ignore this post like you did the last one because you dont have a response to it.


Many sandbox games have great 1 vs 1 like age of wulin. and not only arena style.Of course as I said all of you have gang kills or fleets vs fleets kills.I m so right that this game doesn't have 1 vs 1 and it's not bad a feature like that to be added.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#105 - 2014-01-07 18:52:05 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Sigras wrote:
...snipped...
That being said you're probably going to ignore this post like you did the last one because you dont have a response to it.


Many sandbox games have great 1 vs 1 like age of wulin. and not only arena style.Of course as I said all of you have gang kills or fleets vs fleets kills.I m so right that this game doesn't have 1 vs 1 and it's not bad a feature like that to be added.


How come you keep ignoring all questions put to you? You're nothing more than a troll. A bad one at that.
Draconigea
Angry Angels Nachrichtendienst
#106 - 2014-01-07 18:52:24 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Sigras wrote:
Again im going to state that this is a sandbox game.

You want a 1v1 arena where players fleet up first to be sure there are no boosters involved guess what? you can start one! If you're too lazy to do that then apparently you dont want it enough.

Saying this game doesnt have great PvP because there is no 1v1 in the particular way you want it is moronic and borderline narcissistic.

That being said you're probably going to ignore this post like you did the last one because you dont have a response to it.


Many sandbox games have great 1 vs 1 like age of wulin. and not only arena style.Of course as I said all of you have gang kills or fleets vs fleets kills.I m so right that this game doesn't have 1 vs 1 and it's not bad a feature like that to be added.


Its on YOU to build one if YOU want one.

Just build up a corp which provides ONLY FAIR 1vs1 battles. If there are enough players like you, you might be successfull. But you can't request it from a SANDBOX game, that it gives you instanced 1vs1 arenas...that has NOTHING to do with sandbox...
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2014-01-07 18:53:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dolorous Tremmens
Egravant Alduin wrote:
People like eve as it is I really don t think a 20k active players represents that,I really don t think so this game doesn t have potential so that why I bother ,I don t think so CCP would shrink if their sales would going well .Any civilized person should respect every opinion and I respect yours and all others .I don t respect though people who think they own games like eve cause they are old players,I don t respect people who don t like changes and are stuck in the present and past and don t see the future.Thank you again.


How some people of you talk for the feature I would like and all of you have gang kills or fleets vs fleets?

How you talk for 1 vs 1 PVP?

After all this feature can be added and if you don t like it you simply won tt do 1 vs 1.Things are simple.


People here don't respect WOW lovers like you, while you may think you are older, you are surely not more intelligent. You've been out argued at every turn, even your digressions have been refuted. You insist that there are only "20000 players in eve" yet with "so few people" you still can't get 1v1 pvp, which is all that you believe PVP to be.

Nobody respects you, so your respect means nothing to anyone else. The thought that every civilized person should respect everyone else's opinion is garbage. Respect is EARNED, giving respect to everything just because they can type or mouth words is foolish. There are people who are still of the opinion that the earth is flat, elvis lives and that 1v1 pvp should be fair. Such people are clearly missing key brain lobes. Go back to your scripting job( unless you really just pour the coffee and dole out the donuts) and playing WOW/ Age of conan/perfect world/ other garbage.

Eve would have absolutely no future if ideas such as yours get acted on. They are small minded, and could not be considered improvements to anyone. A 1v1 pvp arena is quite the opposite to what eve is about. in WOW/Age of canan, you are SPECIAL, only you are that special snowflake destined to save the world with your xena like "army" of less than 30.

Eve is about average space pilots, working together ( hence the forced joining of corporations. you are never not in a corporation, therefore you are never really a lone wolf). EvE PVP is about more than one person vs more than one person. This is not a "send out your champion to do battle" game. Eve is a place where you have to have friends, and you just don't seem capable of seeing it. Do yourself a favor and find a game to pvp in while playing eve.

Oh and since you are ignoring anyone who has group pvp'd, you might check the killboard of your own forum-alt as you only have group kills. Your Losses, are your 1v1's. And yes, my forum alt's KB isn't that great, but then I'm not the one whining about 1v1 PVP, and this is a utility character.

Get some Eve. Make it yours.

Llyona
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#108 - 2014-01-07 20:10:07 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I have said it and I will say it once more.I went to try factional warfare since I was told only in factional warfare I can find good PVP (player vs player and not players vs player) combats.Well at first 3 fights I was excited since I had great one vs one battles even if i lost.After that ,20 combats followed and all were ganging ganging and more ganging.

So in my 20 fights only 3 were one vs one we are talking for a pathetic 10-15%.

Why not gates in factional warfare don t let one ship from each faction to pass only once so they could fight each other?This would make 1 vs 1 real PVP possible.

Why not systems that would allow certain numbers of ships can t be created?

Compared to lineage 2 or other MMOs this is the worst PVP game I have ever tried end really regretting paying for it in first months.

It s current PVP system only allows ganging and nothing more.


Care to show me the EVE promotional video or campaign statement you saw that made any mention of solo PVP?

Any videos or marketing I've read focus on the fleet battles, which is, you know, what EVE is mostly about.

EVE is an illness, for which there is no cure.

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#109 - 2014-01-07 20:28:45 UTC
Dolorous Tremmens wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
People like eve as it is I really don t think a 20k active players represents that,I really don t think so this game doesn t have potential so that why I bother ,I don t think so CCP would shrink if their sales would going well .Any civilized person should respect every opinion and I respect yours and all others .I don t respect though people who think they own games like eve cause they are old players,I don t respect people who don t like changes and are stuck in the present and past and don t see the future.Thank you again.


How some people of you talk for the feature I would like and all of you have gang kills or fleets vs fleets?

How you talk for 1 vs 1 PVP?

After all this feature can be added and if you don t like it you simply won tt do 1 vs 1.Things are simple.


People here don't respect WOW lovers like you, while you may think you are older, you are surely not more intelligent. You've been out argued at every turn, even your digressions have been refuted. You insist that there are only "20000 players in eve" yet with "so few people" you still can't get 1v1 pvp, which is all that you believe PVP to be.

Nobody respects you, so your respect means nothing to anyone else. The thought that every civilized person should respect everyone else's opinion is garbage. Respect is EARNED, giving respect to everything just because they can type or mouth words is foolish. There are people who are still of the opinion that the earth is flat, elvis lives and that 1v1 pvp should be fair. Such people are clearly missing key brain lobes. Go back to your scripting job( unless you really just pour the coffee and dole out the donuts) and playing WOW/ Age of conan/perfect world/ other garbage.

Eve would have absolutely no future if ideas such as yours get acted on. They are small minded, and could not be considered improvements to anyone. A 1v1 pvp arena is quite the opposite to what eve is about. in WOW/Age of canan, you are SPECIAL, only you are that special snowflake destined to save the world with your xena like "army" of less than 30.

Eve is about average space pilots, working together ( hence the forced joining of corporations. you are never not in a corporation, therefore you are never really a lone wolf). EvE PVP is about more than one person vs more than one person. This is not a "send out your champion to do battle" game. Eve is a place where you have to have friends, and you just don't seem capable of seeing it. Do yourself a favor and find a game to pvp in while playing eve.

Oh and since you are ignoring anyone who has group pvp'd, you might check the killboard of your own forum-alt as you only have group kills. Your Losses, are your 1v1's. And yes, my forum alt's KB isn't that great, but then I'm not the one whining about 1v1 PVP, and this is a utility character.


Elvis lives!I don t have alts that play sorry!Elvis lives!

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#110 - 2014-01-07 20:30:42 UTC
I would like this thread to be locked .Thank you .Only some days left until my solid state arrives and you can have your pvp fleets and gangs here and stay as it is who cares.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Draconigea
Angry Angels Nachrichtendienst
#111 - 2014-01-07 20:35:38 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Danika Princip wrote:
ANY system you bring in to try and reward or encourage solo play can and will be abused to hell and back by virtually every EVE player. Just so you know.


No it will encourage skilled players to show their potential.Like a fight club or something like that .1 vs 1 .The best holds and wins against many opponents(not at the same time,one vs one)


Then go and start a fight club. Its a sandbox, it is on YOU to create such things.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#112 - 2014-01-07 20:36:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tchulen
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I would like this thread to be locked .Thank you .Only some days left until my solid state arrives and you can have your pvp fleets and gangs here and stay as it is who cares.


I sincerely hope you enjoy playing Lineage 2. Good luck with everything. I'm going to carry on playing EVE because I actually like playing it. In the end I guess we're all happy. It's nice when a debate has a happy ending, don't you think?
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#113 - 2014-01-07 20:54:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Noxisia Arkana
If you want to lock your own thread report it. I shouldn't be posting in this obvious troll thread, but I just can't help it.

This post is bad. Not because you don't have a valid point (i.e. I wish there was more 1vs1 pvp content) but because you refuse to have a conversation and just attack those who point out current game mechanics (and yes, their opinions on how PVP content should work).

Has no one mentioned the Duel mechanic? You can ask people for 1vs1 fights. A lot of people are pretty ok with that, some guys will dock up or get a nuetral logistics ship involved. That is pretty much the 'arena' Eve concept.

I was going to say something mean here, but I honestly just hope you move on.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#114 - 2014-01-07 22:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
I'm more than likely older than the OP and with age has come the knowledge, that I still have much to learn.

I will say one thing, the sandbox isn't for everyone.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Sigras
Conglomo
#115 - 2014-01-07 23:51:00 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Sigras wrote:
Again im going to state that this is a sandbox game.

You want a 1v1 arena where players fleet up first to be sure there are no boosters involved guess what? you can start one! If you're too lazy to do that then apparently you dont want it enough.

Saying this game doesnt have great PvP because there is no 1v1 in the particular way you want it is moronic and borderline narcissistic.

That being said you're probably going to ignore this post like you did the last one because you dont have a response to it.


Many sandbox games have great 1 vs 1 like age of wulin. and not only arena style.Of course as I said all of you have gang kills or fleets vs fleets kills.I m so right that this game doesn't have 1 vs 1 and it's not bad a feature like that to be added.

My point is that this game has fair 1v1 PvP; the only problem is that YOU havent created it yet.

Quit asking the devs to do something that you can do for yourself.
The Sinister
Interbellum
#116 - 2014-01-08 00:49:15 UTC
Well to be honest this guy has a point here...

Finding 1 vs 1 fights in this game is virtually impossible.

It does happens but its so hard to find 1 vs 1 its really a joke..

So my recomendation to you good sir is:

1. Bring friends to fight by your side.

2. Dont pvp anymore.

or

3. Just go play another game.
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#117 - 2014-01-08 08:39:57 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Well to be honest this guy has a point here...

Finding 1 vs 1 fights in this game is virtually impossible.

It does happens but its so hard to find 1 vs 1 its really a joke..

So my recomendation to you good sir is:

1. Bring friends to fight by your side.

2. Dont pvp anymore.

or

3. Just go play another game.


4. Create the 1v1 content yourself by setting up a 1v1 fight club corporation or organisation as suggested by several people in this thread and also in every thread like it.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#118 - 2014-01-08 09:28:14 UTC
The Sinister wrote:
Well to be honest this guy has a point here...

Finding 1 vs 1 fights in this game is virtually impossible.

It does happens but its so hard to find 1 vs 1 its really a joke..

So my recomendation to you good sir is:

1. Bring friends to fight by your side.

2. Dont pvp anymore.

or

3. Just go play another game.



Why woudl anyone want to fight 1v1? THis is supposed to be a sandbox game, not an arena. Trying to get 1v1 fight is STUPID!!!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2014-01-08 09:36:36 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:

As I told we were talking for lineage 2 old unreal 2 engine.It runs better in older pcs than in new high end pcs.Search it on google to see it for yourself.INew pcs just need an ssd so they don t lag.Also this has to do with windows .Older windows play older games newer windows can t play older games cause of compatibility.We are out of subject though.



I don't need to search it. I have enough professional experience writing games for the engines used on those to know that you are wrong! You are compeltely outmatched here, better to back off... the internet is now where knowledge is...



Why you think you know everything?With an ssd the game runs fine without it even in pcs that can run full details 1920x1080 games like crysis battlefield etc can t run lineage 2 .Gratz for your job though but if you are saying the truth you would know what i m saying and how lineage 2 or older angines work with newer pcs.Anyway i m bored of saying same and same things like talking to kids .When some people grow up they will understand or if they had experience from 286 era games then they would understand better.



Geez.. you type even worse than I DO.

And These engeines work EXACLTY same on older computers as they work on new computers, except a bit faster on NEW computers.


As I expalined the Operating System API has not changed, the negeral behavior of the CPU has not changed, and nothing has changed less than the filesystem, therefore your myth about Solid state drives is nonsense. Newest video cards just have more programable stages of their pipelines, but these can be programmed to behave EXACLTY as older ones.

You have zero knowledge on the subject, clearly.

And YOU severely underestimate other people. I play computer games since 1986, in a 0x86.. much older than your 286. I am VERY VERY likely older than you, in fact I probably was writing software before you even played any computer game ( 30 years already now) , so stop trying to make yourself look great, because you are failing completely. Back then you did not have a real operating system that leveraged the platform for you, so jumping form a 286 to a 386 created differences. That does not EXIST anymore inside PC class hardware.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Cardano Firesnake
Fire Bullet Inc
#120 - 2014-01-08 10:28:07 UTC
Yes in eve online PVP is nearly always assymetric.
Fair combats are rare.
even if it is strange for a Goon, I am most of the time alone against a lot. It is ok for me even if I loose most of my fights...
Unfair worlds are always more interestening thant fair ones.
God bless CCP for no fair battlegrounds.

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