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Allaera
Kalmincon
#1761 - 2014-01-07 13:35:04 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
What is the point of this ship?


Well let's see.....umm.......hmm.....well, it's got 2 pointy bits at the front but that's about as much "point" as this thing has at the moment Ugh

Oh, hahaha my mate just said "seems to be trying to look Sansha........and failing at that too!!"



CCP really need to get their s#%t wired and listen to those that want to fly this (myself included) because in it's current iteration Nestor is not even worth looking at and yes, I do like the look of it but looking good serves exactly zero purpose in New Eden.

I'm not going to put forward my thoughts on how Nestor should be set out, plenty of people have done that already and all I'd be doing is rehashing what has already been put forward.

I will say this however - "CCP, for the love of all that is holy pull out whatever you have stuffed in your ears and pay attention, there are some great ideas in this thread that will make Nestor more than the high sec showboat that it is currently. We really want to fly Nestor just not YOUR Nestor!!
Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#1762 - 2014-01-07 13:39:44 UTC
Maybe if it costs 500m instead of 2b?
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#1763 - 2014-01-07 14:18:43 UTC
Really dont like the big circle thingies on the SOE ships, looks a little odd.
Kasife Vynneve
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1764 - 2014-01-07 15:03:36 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
What is the point of this ship?



ISK Sink and Shiny Killmail decoration
Spugg Galdon
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1765 - 2014-01-07 15:19:10 UTC
I am disposable wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread?


What is the point of any feedback thread started by CCP? I'm starting to think they only start them to create the illusion that we are being listened to. The rapid launcher thread has gotten no response in months, and they are now ignoring this thread the same way. We really are wasting our time here.



I diagree. CCP has shown that they do listen to these forums. The problem has been timing for this subject. They released the stats for this just before Christmas and Icelanders have a VERY long Christmas vacation. Hopefully now that people have returned to work they will catch up on the feed back and start considering changes to be made to this hull.

If we hear nothing from now until 1.1 and they release the Nestor as is. Then I will lose faith.
Red Garsk
#1766 - 2014-01-07 15:53:34 UTC
It really needs a Covert Ops Cloak. The scanning bonus is utter useless otherwise. No exploration focused pilot is going to take this ship and explore unknown sigantures with it, it's just not going to happen.

The pricetag on the ship justifies it having a Covert Ops Cloak. I would even go as far as to say that with a Covert Ops Cloak it will replace my current setup in wormholes just because everything else on the ship is perfect for what I do in wormholes.
I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1767 - 2014-01-07 16:37:40 UTC
Spugg Galdon wrote:
I am disposable wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread?


What is the point of any feedback thread started by CCP? I'm starting to think they only start them to create the illusion that we are being listened to. The rapid launcher thread has gotten no response in months, and they are now ignoring this thread the same way. We really are wasting our time here.



I diagree. CCP has shown that they do listen to these forums. The problem has been timing for this subject. They released the stats for this just before Christmas and Icelanders have a VERY long Christmas vacation. Hopefully now that people have returned to work they will catch up on the feed back and start considering changes to be made to this hull.

If we hear nothing from now until 1.1 and they release the Nestor as is. Then I will lose faith.


I guess you missed the rapid launcher thread...
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1768 - 2014-01-07 17:55:34 UTC
I am disposable wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
I am disposable wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread?


What is the point of any feedback thread started by CCP? I'm starting to think they only start them to create the illusion that we are being listened to. The rapid launcher thread has gotten no response in months, and they are now ignoring this thread the same way. We really are wasting our time here.



I diagree. CCP has shown that they do listen to these forums. The problem has been timing for this subject. They released the stats for this just before Christmas and Icelanders have a VERY long Christmas vacation. Hopefully now that people have returned to work they will catch up on the feed back and start considering changes to be made to this hull.

If we hear nothing from now until 1.1 and they release the Nestor as is. Then I will lose faith.


I guess you missed the rapid launcher thread...


Just because people with a vested interest whine, this does not make a decision wrong.

Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Mournful Conciousness
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1769 - 2014-01-07 18:03:03 UTC
Having said that, I do agree that the Nestor is no more use than a pool of dog vomit on a freshly laundered bedspread.

Embers Children is recruiting carefully selected pilots who like wormholes, green killboards and the sweet taste of tears. You can convo me in game or join the chat "TOHA Lounge".
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1770 - 2014-01-07 18:13:52 UTC
Red Garsk wrote:
It really needs a Covert Ops Cloak. The scanning bonus is utter useless otherwise. No exploration focused pilot is going to take this ship and explore unknown sigantures with it, it's just not going to happen.

The pricetag on the ship justifies it having a Covert Ops Cloak. I would even go as far as to say that with a Covert Ops Cloak it will replace my current setup in wormholes just because everything else on the ship is perfect for what I do in wormholes.
The pricetag is defined by demand, otherwise it's no more than another pirate BS.

6 lows+tanking bonus make it tough ; bonused drones + 6 turrets make it harmful ; 6 mids on top of that make it insanely versatile. This is actually a Navy Dominix with 2 utility high and all exploration bonuses on top.

Not everything have to be overspecialized.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#1771 - 2014-01-07 18:15:33 UTC
so does the remote repair bonus only work for large reps or all sizes?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Red Garsk
#1772 - 2014-01-07 18:24:04 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Red Garsk wrote:
It really needs a Covert Ops Cloak. The scanning bonus is utter useless otherwise. No exploration focused pilot is going to take this ship and explore unknown sigantures with it, it's just not going to happen.

The pricetag on the ship justifies it having a Covert Ops Cloak. I would even go as far as to say that with a Covert Ops Cloak it will replace my current setup in wormholes just because everything else on the ship is perfect for what I do in wormholes.
The pricetag is defined by demand, otherwise it's no more than another pirate BS.

6 lows+tanking bonus make it tough ; bonused drones + 6 turrets make it harmful ; 6 mids on top of that make it insanely versatile. This is actually a Navy Dominix with 2 utility high and all exploration bonuses on top.

Not everything have to be overspecialized.


I get that, I have no issues with any other bonus, but the scanning bonus is utter useless. The ship has been advertised as a Wormhole likable ship with low mass, combined with the exploration bonuses it would be perfect, except, it can not Covert Ops Cloak, so scanning signatures is fine and all, you just won't go explore them without a Covert Ops Cloak. It's just not going to be useful to have the scanning bonus otherwise.

If you are just going to use it for PvP then it's fine but the theme of the ship, and the other two SoE ships, was pointing at Exploration... But what is the use when you aren't going to give it everything an exploration ship needs, it's like they stopped working on it, forgetting it needed 1 more thing to make it perfect for exploration.

Demand dictates the price, well, if you look at the other two ships and then let's have a discussion. The ship is not going to be cheaper then 2 billion, and thats perfectly fine if it didn't lack the Covert Ops Cloaking ability.
I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1773 - 2014-01-07 18:27:08 UTC
Mournful Conciousness wrote:
I am disposable wrote:
Spugg Galdon wrote:
I am disposable wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
So the ship is on sisi and it still looks ugly and has crap stats... what was the point of this thread?


What is the point of any feedback thread started by CCP? I'm starting to think they only start them to create the illusion that we are being listened to. The rapid launcher thread has gotten no response in months, and they are now ignoring this thread the same way. We really are wasting our time here.



I diagree. CCP has shown that they do listen to these forums. The problem has been timing for this subject. They released the stats for this just before Christmas and Icelanders have a VERY long Christmas vacation. Hopefully now that people have returned to work they will catch up on the feed back and start considering changes to be made to this hull.

If we hear nothing from now until 1.1 and they release the Nestor as is. Then I will lose faith.


I guess you missed the rapid launcher thread...


Just because people with a vested interest whine, this does not make a decision wrong.


By vested interest you mean the people who actually used RLMLs and aren't happy with it being changed into something completely different without any warning? Yeah there's nothing wrong with that...
Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1774 - 2014-01-07 19:03:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Savira Terrant
If CCP really wants to stick with this remote rep stuff - which I don't like at all, just to be clear - I believe that it should have an advantage over the cruisers - not range though, I guess. This can be achieved in a multitude of ways. But my take on that would be as follows:

Instead of a rep amount bonus, combine a cycle time bonus with an activation cost bonus. Make it so that it can lock as fast as a Guardian when the Nestor has two resolution scripted T2 sebos and a T2 signal amplifier fitted (would be between 145 and 150 mm base resolution if I am correct). At the moment not even 4 faction sebos are enough to do that, by the way.
This way, reps would reach faster, which is oftentimes more imperative than more rep amount.

I believe that the need for more capmods (read captransfers since it will need it's lowslots for tank and a medslot for eccms), will balance the actual rep amount to that of a Logistics cruiser by being able to fit a maximum of three reppers.

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LtauSTinpoWErs
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1775 - 2014-01-07 19:07:01 UTC
Here's an idea. I have noticed several people complain about the shuttle just sitting there doing nothing. What if, when your nestor explodes, you end up in the shuttle rather than a pod?
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#1776 - 2014-01-07 19:46:25 UTC
LtauSTinpoWErs wrote:
Here's an idea. I have noticed several people complain about the shuttle just sitting there doing nothing. What if, when your nestor explodes, you end up in the shuttle rather than a pod?


Fun gimmick, makes sense, would probably require 3 years of programming to implement.

Its a cool concept though.

And no this ship doesn't need a cloaking device.

Yaay!!!!
Elam Kaundur
Imperium Galactic Navy
Imperium Galactic Empire
#1777 - 2014-01-07 23:03:47 UTC
I think the lack of a cloak is related to the mobile scan inhibitors they're also coming up with.
Hawkwar
M.I.M.M.S
#1778 - 2014-01-08 02:47:29 UTC
Can I take to it with a hacksaw and cut those stupid looking wings off and then maybe drive it backwards so it looks like its going in the direction it should. Honestly this thing looks stupid as it is regardless of the stats it has.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1779 - 2014-01-08 02:55:09 UTC
I love how the ship looks, but it really needs a jump drive and MJD bonus at least, if they want it to be usable.

Sorry I keep talking about this, but I can't help it Oops

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Max Karma
Tri-gun
#1780 - 2014-01-08 05:34:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Karma
Could the Nestor have a bonus to smartbomb range and damage?
Now I know it wouldn't follow with the rest of the SOE ships but neither does the remote rep bonus so w.e.
At the moment there is a faction BS which is basically the king of each respective weapons platform. The Mach projectile beast, Vindi hybrids, rattle snake drones, nightmare energy weapons, bhaalgorn nuets, and nestor remote rep/drones again? It just doesn't fit with the whole gist of faction battleships being offensive powerhouses and is redundant in its drone bonus with the rattlesnake.
I feel like having some ship in eve with a smartbomb range/damage bonus could be interesting and really carve out a niche for itself like each faction/t2 ship should.
I anticipate that some people will think this is silly/OP or have problems with the idea of a smartbomb bonussed ship in general and i would honestly like to hear why people think it shouldn't be a thing.
Make the nestor a smartbomb bonused ship!