EVE General Discussion

Just tank your ship. It doesnt affect your yield and you cant be ganked.

Thanks for linking to a post about utter nonsense. That manifesto was a bunch of drivel then and it's still a bunch of drivel now. It was just a neckbeard banging on about carebears. He did it way before the changes too, the only thing that changed was hat he called it a manifesto.

And targeting newer inexperienced miners doesn't even do what the manifesto claims to be against (lets face it though, that's because noone really believes it all, the new order guys are just bored alts doing something else like a tidi fleet). ISBoxing 90 character miners now get used and the new order totally ignores them. All they really do is push down some of the regular miners making bots and multiboxers even more isk.

Hell, when I bother to do any highsec mining (which is pretty rare these days), I run ISBoxer now. I semi-afk while playing the xbox, chewing away on some rocks. See if you run a single miner, and you run it properly, your likely to run into some random douche sperging about how you owe them 10m isk. You run a fleet and they don't bother, since they can't bump all of you.

And there's nothing wrong with people challenging the mechanics. That's done every single day and I don't see you trolling every single post about it. That's how the game evolves.

See and there is the end of the debate. In plain sight.

Security already got increased by a little. Over and over and over and over again. Some day there will be no need to increase it anymore, because there is no danger left. People will complain about getting blown up, because people refuse to adapt. Not all, but some. This only ends when there is no way to blow anybody up, thus it's not an option.

You are also completely ignoring the human factor. It's like in real life, really. Nowadays politics believes it makes sense to change everything to make the world saver for the weakest links, ignoring that it actually creates idiots who never learn to watch out for themselves.

TL;DR:
If there was enough security provided for you to consider carrying a PLEX, then there is no danger in doing it in the first place. Otoh just buffing it a little more won't change the fact that you will still lose that PLEX and thus will ask for even more security.

This debate is nonsense, because most participants lack necessary information to validly talk about it. This game is based on the laws of nature. Modern societies more and more tend to ignore these, creating beliefs that are completely opposite to how the world successfully worked and developed for thousands of years. Buffing security just creates more weak links, thus damaging society as a whole.

Case closed.

high sec should be more safe. We need more players, not to keep grief monkeys content. There are large sections of EVE that are designed to be harsh and dangerous, and suggesting that making high sec more safe is going to hurt the game is completely ridiculous. It would help the game by keeping less players from quitting due to the fact that, currently, being a high sec pirates involves zero risk and costs almost nothing. High sec "pirates" are just cowards who are afraid of real pvp and there is no reason they should get special treatment.

So what does that make all the whiny brats demanding nerfs?

Nope, I'm not. I think ganking is considerably easier to do now. It's very cheap to do, and it has no downsides whatsoever. You can even change your mind now and go back to being >-5 for only a few hundred mil. They may as well drop the rerolling rule with it being that easy. Plus, it's not just ganking. A cheap fit can keep a target perma-bumped, especially if you choose to bump a freighter, which have been known to be bumped for several hours.

And that right there that your doing, is committing a logical fallacy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

If we were to follow that method of thinking, then no change would ever be made to the game as it will always fall into further changes inevitably resulting in the end of the game.

lol, I've literally watched you guys shoot solo players then ignore a group miner. When questioned you've made up nonsense excuses (a common new order tactic). Realistically it's because there's only a handful of you, and none of you really wanting to put anythign on the line.

Come on, be serious. Do you honestly believe in what you are doing, or is it just though boredom?

Sure, if you MASSIVELY exaggerate everything that is being said and completely ignore several points made then yes, it will evolve into some weird hello kitty space adventure.

However, if you stop incorrectly reading between the lines and instead rationally look at the situation from all sides, you'll see there are merits in some of the complaints. The situation as it currently stands is clearly not perfect on either side. I think more need to be done to rope in the ganking and bumping, especially when it's prolonged for hours, but then at the same time things like the ice anom locations and sizes being static is an issue too.

What makes you think that one would lead to the other?

Indeed. They're called highsec, lowsec, nullsec and w-space. There are very very tiny sections of EVE that are designed not to be harsh and dangerous — they're called the newbie systems.

…because the highsec victims want it that way. After all, they're the only ones who can control the risk and cost involved, and they've decided that it should be the amount and price it is.

Who knows, opinions vary.

The real question is WHY should we shut up? What right do you have to tell us to shut up? Who exactly are you? Why is it you can't have a reasonable discussion about pros and cons of particular ideas and instead choose to tell people they are wanting 100% safety and they should "shut the hell up"?