EVE General Discussion

No one seems to be arguing against helping new players. You are muddling your own argument up here. If you think it should be done via the NPE - post in Features & Ideas. If you would like to help new players yourself, no one is stopping you. Even rolling the occasional starter alt and helping out in rookie chat can be productive. Quoting Gevlon doesn't help your case as he's far from expert and incredibly irritating.

Waffling on GD about the psychological motivation for shooting other players in a PVP centric game is pretty odd tbh. What do you get out of arguing back and forth like this? Feelings of intellectual and ethical superiority? It's a hopeless position as your arguments are not convincing enough to pursuade anyone sensible to support your position. I often think if people started the game perceiving it more as an FPS rather than classic themepark MMO they would have an easier time. The victim mentality is really just a matter of perspective.

Re the ganking argument; if you don't like it, don't do it. As other people have remarked though, after years of play some of us have never been ganked in highsec. Which suggests people who have a major issue with it are making themselves an easy target. That said ganking is always subject to tweaks and adjustments. It's there to remind people nowhere is safe, but when it's abused to the point the risk is ridiculously low, it gets nerfed. Again, a more productive discussion about this is probably better on a different subforum, but I suspect that isn't your purpose in posting here.

As a member of the New Order, I've called for this many times. Gank and pod all newbies as part of the tutorial so they understand that part of the game.

For F***s Sake, another whiny thread about high sec ganking...

Can somebody report these sniveling pigs to C.O.D.E please?

Just because you don't understand the strategic or economic benefit does not mean there isn't one. Denial of enemy resources is not just a game play tactic. It can even be argued that all wars are fought over resources.

I'm not necessarily endorsing that argument. Superlative use usually indicates a logical error somewhere.

If you sell fire hoses, go light a lot of fires.

Strategic benefit. You said it yourself. If there is one, then ganking is readily understandable.

Killing an enemy's miners in nullsec is certainly a valid tactic, as is cloaky camping their industry systems (PLEASE don't turn this into another "AFK cloaking is BS thread, I'm just trying to make a point).

Randomly killing people in hisec (not lowsec or nullsec, the rules are different there) without benefit, strategic or economical, is what I mentioned as a justification for making this part of the NPE, so that players will be aware that they should regard EVERYONE who approaches them with a healthy suspicion, and be aware of the dramatic difference in survivability your decisions make.

I gank because in real life I am a nice guy. Eve lets me be evil. Plus its fun :)

The what?

Cite?

I don't care about KB ratios, and frankly have no idea as to what mine would be. Large losses by ganked miners simply demonstrate their incompetence, not my skill.



I hang out in Help Chat a lot while online (have to do something while I wait out my criminal timer so I can undock again). Often, newer players will ask what mining barge to get and how to fit it. I ALWAYS recommend they tank it fully and inevitably that suggestion is met with scorn and derision. In the forums I recommend to players they tank their barges, and again the suggestions are most unheeded.

So I have no problem helping newer players, and I continue to attempt to do so. However, there are those that need some concrete object lessons. That is a service that I'm happy to provide them.