EVE General Discussion

Wow! 11 pages of combined, collective stupidity. -.-

If you dont like it, get out

"Already lost a few to Star Citizen" was when your guff became transparent

Lucas, I would ask that you slow down and read some of the posts from these "newbies" you're talking about. Many are simply filled with vitriol and venomous nonsense, not just in this thread but in every thread they have posted in on this subject. It is one thing to say, "I don't like being bumped" and quite another to say, "You're all a bunch of sociopaths and clowns".

The nice thing about this community is that they are helpful to people who ask for help. They are also justifiably intolerant of people who just want to rant and carry on like a spoiled ******* brat.

I've read them. A lot of them are simple legitimate concerns. People come he to play a game, to have fun and get greeted by someone literally spending hours to make sure they can't play. So they post on the forum, many understandably frustrated, and they get met with "HTFU noob", "Go play hello kitty online", "waah, entitlement", and any number of other trolls. In all honesty, this whole community is an absolute disgrace, myself included. We've got to the point that we are so incredibly elitists that we refuse to let new people in. When I joined it was harsh, yeah, but it wasn't like it is now. People didn't go out of their way to ensure it's as difficult as possible for you to play. In all honesty, I really wonder how (and in fact if) we even attract new players.

I love EVE, it's a great game, and it would be really nice to be able to share that with other people, but you can't. Unless a player already has an account and understands the mechanics they get met with us idiots trolling them into the ground, and that's a damn shame.

No, but misquoting people on purpose and obtusely refusing to understand what is being said.

NO ONE is advocating "hassling new players for no reason beyond boredom".

In fact, hassling new players is strictly against the EULA and the mdoerated rules of both the game and the forums.

You are CHOOSING to interpert it in this way to forward your own sense of importance.

You are CHOOSING not to see that what you are stating is what the vast majority of us actually support.

You seem to be under the impression that anything that happens that you dont agree with is because other people are "bad", by extention making you the paradigm of virtue.

Let me draw up two scenarios here. Admittedly, they are relatively simplistic but I think it will illustrate a point.

Scenario 1

I have a friend that I used to play another game with. For the sake of the scenario, we'll call it Rift. He and I used to PvP in Conquest (instanced PvP). I also play Eve and tell him that he might enjoy it. So I tell him more about how the PvP is everywhere. I accurately tell him the difference between high-security space (where PvP has consequences enforced by Concord and about aggression mechanics etc.) and low/null security space (where PvP still has consequences but that they are not enforced by the Concord mechanic - except for ******* gate guns in low sec). I explain scams to him (advising that anything being linked in Jita is generally an attempt to **** you).

Based on my desciption he decides to give it a try and finds that he enjoys mining and building stuff with the minerals he collects. One day he is spotted by a ganker, Jeff Beidermaier (just kidding, Jeff is not a ganker and is an awesome guy) in a belt in a 0.6 system. Jeff promptly dumps all 8 barrels of his gank-fit Catalyst into my friends hull. My friend, because he knew what to expect, says in local, "You got me Jeff, well done! I obviously don't like losing my ship but I get it. Any advice you can give me to make me a better miner?"

Not only is my friend playing Eve but he is also making new friends.

Scenario 2

Another person has a friend they used to play another game with. Instanced PvP was a nice diversion from the leveling from 1-whatever in a week (veiled disdain of easy mode gaming and instant gratification levelling). They also tell their friend about Eve. They inaccurately describe high security space as "safe" (I think you see where this is going - the same place it has always gone). He also describes low/null security space as "where pirates live".

So this friend starts playing Eve and enjoys mining (so much so that he AFKs while doing it because he is "safe"). Jeff comes along and pops him and his pod. This friend goes ballistic in local, "YOU CAN'T SHOOT AT ME IN HIGH SECURITY SPACE! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE SAFE! GO TO LO-SEC WHERE YOU PIRATES BELONG!" The friend petitions a GM because he believes that Jeff has broken the rules of a safe hi-sec. GM tells the friend to "HTFU". The friend then comes to this forum and subsequently loses their ****.

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Here's the thing Lucas. This game is not for everyone and it never will be for everyone. I don't think there is a single game on the market that can cater to every expectation or playstyle of what is undoubtedly a vastly diverse PC gamer community. We, as players, have a responsibility to accurately describe what this game is. I love it! I will tell friends about it but I will do so honestly and candidly without pulling punches or sugar coating the naked truth. If I adequately educate my friend and he decides it's not something he's keen on, then so be it. It's not for everyone. If I don't adequately educate him and he decides to play it, then Jeff Beidermaier (sorry I just can't help myself) WILL educate him.

Sure, it's not. But I think we're getting more and more elitist, and for what? What do we gain by pushing random people out of the game?
I'm a big fan of EVE, I run 8 accounts, so I have to like it a fair bit, but if I started now, I'd probably not bother. I'd take one look at the amount of trolling thrown about and be like "I CBA with dealing with all of that".

But honestly the biggest question is that. What do we gain? The new order guys are probably sitting around bored in a 10% tidi fight somewhere, so they log an alt and start bumping and hassling randoms, to the point that they come on the forum to complain. We then troll the ever living hell out of them, and they quit. What has been accomplished?
I know most people will answer something along the lines of "We got a pathetic wimp out of the game", but that's absolutely nonsense. People should expect to have fun in a game and being battered by the existing playerbase for no reason is no fun, so it's no surprise when they leave.

One of my favourite books that.

Then its message should not be lost on you.

I don't endorse the actions of this New Order. Do I think they have a place in Eve? - of course. Would I ever join and enforce the CODE? - no.

When they come to the forums to complain there are some that will give them ideas they maybe didn't think of, for example mining in a Rokh. Too often, they ignore this advice, troll the person giving the advice, and continue their deluge of douchebaggery.

They also lobby for the game to be changed to suit their AND ONLY THEIR playstyle. That is just plain selfish. I could get along with a single thread of that nature here and there but it is all over the place in here.

What is accomplished is that a game that is, as I am sure you and I can agree, not for everyone just lost another person for whom this game was not for. We don't tell them things like "GB2WOW" (which I have never told anyone because WoW just sucks - ******* pandas?) because we don't want them here. We tell them that because they don't want to be here.