Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Even with a damage bonus swaping ammo will give you a HUGE advantage against most oponents. The ONLY hull for which its not as true as this are the hull with 10% damage/lvl ; and with that 10% damage/lvl they fall just beyond hybrid and laser turrets.

Saying that Caldari hull don't have damage selection is just wrong and uninformed.

So again a turret (or drone) pilot can be good and position himself wherever he need to mitigate any drawback of its weapon system but a missile ship pilot can't...

Taking HML to all fight is just as stupid as taking railgun to all fights ! The main medium missile system is HAML, not HML !

Come on ! Why would you bring a weapon with 60km range for close quarter combat ?!

HML are useful for *range* combat, that is beyond 40-50km.

[Caracal, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x2

Our Problems are now gone! 290DPS with my setup... 2058ms 8.2k shields and 24k EHP.
What more could you ask for?


[Caracal, New Setup 2]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Scourge Rage Heavy Assault Missile

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x2


504 DPS! 19K EHP!
Now you pesky missile spewing demons can stop being greedy and play the game.

Sure, all of us want a ship that can either A. have a tank and do damage or B. have range and speed...but you can't have them all on one ship. Will the HAM Caracal beat a Thorax? Probably not. Will the HML Caracal take 10 years to kill something? Probably. This makes the game fun though because it gives your adversaries the opportunities they need to have their backup arrive. This, in turn, gets you more kills in the long run. Enjoy my setups and get lots of kills. Those wanting to make donations are able to do so at their leisure! This may or may not be satyr.

That is to be expected indeed.

Read the very last line of my post.

I know how bad damage application for HM is, I was simply using the example to show how ship types other than Caldari get more appropriate bonuses to missiles. If you fit the both ships with Hams, the result is the same. Non Caldari ship has better Dps and range, using what is primarily a Caldari weapon system.

I should have said look better on paper rather than work better.

You should probably stick to carebearing. The HAM fit is pretty cookie cutter, and the HML is pretty standard, too, other than HMLs sucking balls.



Why? Medium weapons are designed primarily to deal damage to cruisers. Which cruiser has a sig radius of 40m?

It might have helped if you spelt it as 'Satire' rather than after a Greek mythical creature

Bouh, are you active and playing? Or do you live here now? lol

PS. I'm 'pretty' sure we covered the issues around fighting with Caracal's at beyond 50km before, vs. the rails debate, and real world application vs. what you read in EFT doesn't make you right. Because there are... you know, a few issues like... hmmm pointing people and time to target, and damage application to consider, while those fleet stabbers are chasing you around like Mary Poppins in a lesbian bar. Good luck with that. I've tried it. Yes, I've actually FC'd fleets of Caracal's at long range several times, and let me tell you what happened when they nerfed the Heavy Missiles. I stopped doing them.

Anyway, why on earth are people just rehashing the same crap as 60 pages back? You think CCP are reading this trash talk at this point? Why don't you get on with your lives. You only get one. Go kiss a granny, get laid, save the planet or something. I'm done with this malarkey and shooting people in the face in EVE instead (Hint - I'm no longer using missiles). I know what you're thinking... why oh why didn't I swallow the blue pill...

Thanks for that mental imagery.


Probably because it was given as a suppository... (at least the last 2 missile changes felt like it anyway).

Medium weapons ARE designed to hit CR/BC optimally, with the exception of HML's wich are designed to optimally hit BS+. I see this as a severe handicap, how could I not?

Most cruisers range between 90 and 150m sig radius, throw velocity in (and who doesn't use an AB or MWD in pvp) and the damage falls off dramatically once you cross about 500m/s.

I'd be satistfied if the performance were equal or slightly below that of their comparable turret counterparts but it's not close.

Turrets against a TD ennemy will do around 0% dps.

That's called a counter. You can't expect to do full damage on something fitted to counter your weapons...