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A single player being able to disband an alliance is illogical; got a solution.

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Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-07 00:50:10 UTC
Last thread was closed as they called it a rant. This will be straight forward.

In it's current state a single player with director roles in the executor corp can disband an alliance. An alliance however is many times intended for sharing power and wealth amongst members evenly. Only sometimes is an alliance actually a supercorp. Thus, it becomes most logical to divide alliances into two types:

1) Supercorps. Similar to how it's setup today, one corp in the alliance has control over most facets and directors within that corp can close the alliance at their own will.

2) Cooperatives. Similar to how null-sec entities should be setup, no single corp in the alliance has any special privileges. Everything from alliance membership to the closing of the alliance is decided by popular vote. Voting strength of each corp is decided (and set in stone) when said corp joins the alliance.

This will allow null-sec entities to survive when a single leader decided he's had enough and wants to cause some damage before leaving.

Cooperatives containing thousands of members should not be at the whims of individuals. Please change this CCP.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#2 - 2014-01-07 00:53:31 UTC
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Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
#3 - 2014-01-07 00:54:34 UTC
I pressed the button to look at the large version of the OP's portrait, and shortly afterwards regretted that decision.

Just the facts.

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
#4 - 2014-01-07 00:57:41 UTC
Get over it and be careful who is given power in the Alliance.

The current mechanism is part of EvE history and shouldn't be changed. Having these mechanisms is a constant reminder to be careful about the way you play - trust no-one, not even yourself.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2014-01-07 01:04:11 UTC
Note to self:

Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears.



Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Jill Chastot
Black Water Oasis
#6 - 2014-01-07 01:06:14 UTC
I laugh where OP thinks eve is a democracy

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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#7 - 2014-01-07 01:11:44 UTC
Bobby Frutt wrote:

Cooperatives containing thousands of members should not be at the whims of individuals.


Of course they should.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#8 - 2014-01-07 01:15:17 UTC
If you want a super corp, make it actually a super corp? Corps can hold thousands of players, stop being lazy and actually invest some training into your corp.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2014-01-07 01:15:25 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Note to self:

Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears.

Note to self:

Be in a position to take advantage of Unsuccessful's plan and help him to steal all of the things, before he presses the button.

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Jill Chastot
Black Water Oasis
#10 - 2014-01-07 01:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Chastot
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
If you want a super corp, make it actually a super corp? Corps can hold thousands of players, stop being lazy and actually invest some training into your corp.


Who wants to train Sovereignty to 5 though Sad

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#11 - 2014-01-07 01:22:24 UTC
Shirley Serious wrote:
I pressed the button to look at the large version of the OP's portrait, and shortly afterwards regretted that decision.

What has been seen cannot be un-seen.
And no, bleaching your eyeballs won't help.

Meanwhile: I predict GREAT things for this thread!

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#12 - 2014-01-07 01:24:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Note to self:

Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears.

Note to self:

Be in a position to take advantage of Unsuccessful's plan and help him to steal all of the things, before he presses the button.

Note to self:
Encourage OP to keep giving Unsuccessful really great bad ideas - I need a few good belly laughs.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-01-07 01:28:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Get over it and be careful who is given power in the Alliance.

The current mechanism is part of EvE history and shouldn't be changed. Having these mechanisms is a constant reminder to be careful about the way you play - trust no-one, not even yourself.

This is a nonsensical post.

The Plague is a long part of human history. It could be a careful remainder about not keeping black rats as pets....

Broken is broken, because the devs ignore broken mechanics for years doesn't mean they shouldn't be fixed.

Corporations could be more robust and more in-line with how corporations work in real life. A CEO is selected by a board of directors. A disbanding is a decision of a majority of directors + the CEO (those online in the last x period). Even one dissenter means no disbanding.

Additionally, anyone not online in the last 90 days has roles auto-dropped

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Kawaiian Breeze
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-01-07 01:30:24 UTC
Be excellent to each other and this wouldnt happen SmileBig smileLolCool

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#15 - 2014-01-07 01:32:25 UTC
Ah. Alliance structure management is a plague that kills millions.
Or... Maybe not.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#16 - 2014-01-07 01:42:17 UTC
Bobby Frutt wrote:
Please change this CCP.


Roll

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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#17 - 2014-01-07 03:14:28 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Note to self:

Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears.

Note to self:

Be in a position to take advantage of Unsuccessful's plan and help him to steal all of the things, before he presses the button.


haha i just looked at a larger version of your avatar, i wonder what you saw just as that picture was taken, it looks like you saw something that cannot be unseen :P

On the subject of alliances, working as intended, if people decide they want to disband something like they they should be freely allowed to do so, in your example its entirely possible for an alliance containing an even number of corps to have votes end up in a tie in which case nothing would happen, this veto power makes it so you can just do what you want to do when you want to do it :)

Which alliance did you lose out of interest :P
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#18 - 2014-01-07 03:17:07 UTC
Cypherous wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Note to self:

Get into leadership of large alliance. Press button. Bathe in the glorious waterfall of tears.

Note to self:

Be in a position to take advantage of Unsuccessful's plan and help him to steal all of the things, before he presses the button.


haha i just looked at a larger version of your avatar, i wonder what you saw just as that picture was taken, it looks like you saw something that cannot be unseen :P

Probably at the OP's full avatar.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc

Felicity Love
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-01-07 04:05:56 UTC
... strange, I thought the OP's name was supposed to be a month of the year...

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-01-07 04:43:16 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
I laugh where OP thinks eve is a democracy

OP should be the guy that makes the democracy alliance so the rest of us can laugh when it tears itself apart before its first week.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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