EVE General Discussion

I think you misread the intention of this part.

They are clarifying that is is not allowed to mess with THE ABILITY TO not the fact that they ar not enjoying themselves.

This sort of stuff is account jacking, spamming invites, DDoS attacks and such things that prevent them from playing and being able to respond to situations that can occur in the game.

Me bumping you does not remove your ability to move to another system or come and kill me, but however weeding a keylogger onto your computer and actively disconnecting you while you try to play does.

The keyword here is ABILITY

CCP don't give a rats ass if someones extorting you.
They do if someones DDoS ing their servers.

It all comes back to the ability to facilitate a response to the situation.

The thread needn't be locked, i left a perfectly good response to OP one up from you. Hopefully at least one soul will take it to heart and understand they can respond to other players interactions

Oh, I hear ya.

Sad thing is, the bad guys will always be the bad guys, and the carebears will always be the victims in a carebear's eyes.

The pirate playstyle will always be villainized, while the droning lifeless grinding of the carebear will always be the epitome of perfect playstyle.

There is no arguing it with them.

Just like the half a dozen threads on the same subject on the first page of GD.

It's sad, Jill, but don't cry. You're better than that.

You're trying to get all Internet Lawyer with a document that is written broadly to cover unforeseen cases. That's a rabbit hole from which you will never emerge.

The rules are not defined in the EULA. They're outside the scope of the EULA. They're defined in the rules, astonishingly enough, and the rules define griefing as precisely as it can be defined in a PVP sandbox game: as a sustained effort to interfere with a person's game, across significant amounts of time and (in-game) space, with the goal of driving them out of the game. Bumping someone to ransom them once is not griefing. Bumping someone for hours just to bump them, then following them everywhere they go (even if they go many jumps away) and bumping them for hours so that they can't ever do anything is griefing.

Down your rabbit hole, my mining in an otherwise unoccupied asteroid field is interfering with the ability of another miner who logs in later than I do to mine ore. My attacking a Venture in low sec is interfering with their ability to mine, or even more absurdly: my warping off in a Venture because the attacking pilot didn't bring enough tackle is interfering with their ability to gank.

The fact that you find yourself contemplating scenarios that happen every single day in EVE as EULA violations should tell you that you're tilting at windmills. If you got a violation warning, you went above and beyond.

IBTL, It's CCP's game they can ban you for whatever reason they want.

I like cake.

I don't necessarily, but the possibility of it in certain contexts gives the game a flavor that keeps it from getting stale rather quickly.

regarding invite spam that is considered petitionable by CCP who have acted upon it before, and bumping to prevent warp is a non targeted form of disruption, as such is allowed.

(is it actually possible for one person to bump a barge so much that is is unable to warp out? At most they knock you off alignment for a bit, but i think you should be able to pilot yourself out of that no problems.)

The reasons why the Eula / Tos is not precise is because:

1. It would have to be infinately long to account for every possible circumstance because any individiual circumstance could be combined with any other to infinity

2. Rules Lawyers will always dispute the meaning of words

HTH

See, if we cut out the blah blah all we are left with is your false premise. If any player feels they are being griefed, there's a perfectly adequate petition system through which the GMs will deliver their judgement.

I know you are just a NPC alt, so I'll put this politely .... take your medicine (your GM slap to the wrist), HTFU or GTFO.

Thread locked, and it will be cleaned up of any non-allowed communication posted.

Ed: Misread the OP, it does not actually consist in any part of GM wording. Simply indicating what a GM told you is fine. Copy-pasting what he/she told you is not.

Unlocking thread. My bad.