EVE General Discussion

lol, Indeed I may need to read that :D. In my defense I've been reading and responding on my phone, though there can be no excuse for it.
I acknowledge I have made a severe error, and I humbly request forgiveness for my transgression.

There no problem with a player created cult or religion (though the fact that it's named after a WW2 political agenda involving the annihilation of the jews to be distasteful, especially considering the similarities in their stated goals). It's all of the repetitive propaganda that goes with it. Every time anyone posts anything about mining you can expect to see at least one new order clown trying to go on and on about the code.

Actually, I think the reason so many people remain in NPC corps is that it's impossible to protect yourself joining a player owned one. I've run a few player corps in the past between myself and friends, but I'd never publicly recruit as I can't be bothered of going through all of the hassle of having some random be allowed to shoot everyone in the corp free of charge. There's no method of punishing someone for jamming an alt in a corp and blowing people up.

I think if they addressed that issue, even just by a flag on a corp level allowing and disallowing in-corp PVP by concord, it would go a long way to encouraging people to both join corps and recruit from them. Without that though, it's simply safer to either be in a one man corp (if you want to remove tax) or stay in an NPC one. Wars would still be an issue but those are less of an issue as they cost to initiate.

Honestly, how can you expect people to move on if null sec players scam them, low sec players shoot them, and high sec players grief them? If I were brand new to this game these days, I'd probably not bother sticking around long enough to realise there's other things to do.

lol no, they cleanse the population of the miners they don't like. But yeah, read some of the stuff they write and you'll soon start to see the correlations.

By doing what the scammers, gankers, and extortionists do: find safety in numbers.

I think you missed the rest of my post. I wasn't claiming the new order guys grief them (though I wouldn't claim they don't either). I was claiming that players grief corps by joining them and awoxing them. Why would a new player join a corp if all it give them is the opportunity to get killed by greens? Then at the same time, why would a CEO recruit publicly if they want to be able to safely field anything of value?

For miners for example, just in my alt corps alone for example I could field mining boosters, haulers, on grid protection and ore buyback programs. I wouldn't because the logistics of setting it all up so nobody can green kill anything shiny is too much of a pain in the ass.

And safety in numbers? How do you make yourself safe when those numbers could easily be the threat? Simply remaining in an NPC corp gives you more protection. This is why I was surprised when the idea of making corps able to select internal combat status came up and huge amounts of PVP players were screaming "No!". People should be encouraged to join players owned corp with benefits, not put off with additional risks.

EDIT: Oh and most of the gankers, scammers and extortionists also remain in NPC corps.

If the corp is being griefed by an awoxer, can they petition it? How many guys does the awoxer have to kill before it's properly petionable griefing, like a whole mining op?

Scammers gather around a common goal....

…and creating an entire website as a cover, even. Never mind that it's the most obvious and well-known fake in all of EVE, people still fall for it, don't they?

The common goal is to be the scammer that scams all of the other scammers that are also trying to be said scammer.

Always has been, always will be, even though I'm a carebear it's one of the major reasons I play.