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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#81 - 2014-01-06 17:31:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nerf Burger wrote:

its the activity you choose in the game that defines you. You aren't just some random guys playing a game, you are douchebags, losers and sociopaths who are afraid of challenge and choose to pick on people who won't fight back.
Bullshit.
I do mainly PvE and trade which by your metric is an acceptable style of game play.

Theoretically I then tell you that a lot of my trade is in Catalysts and associated equipment being used to gank miners and T1 indys, by your metric I'm now a war profiteer.

I then tell you, truthfully, that I have a character with 8 suicide ganks to his name. I'm now a murdering douchebag sociopath by your reckoning.

At what stage did my gameplay become unacceptable by your standards? At what point did I cease to be a valuable member of society and become scumbag steve?

You calling gankers lowlifes, douchebags, sociopaths and losers doesn't make them so. That's your opinion, you're entitled to it even if it is wrong. People who won't fight back or take measures to defend themselves, such as actually tanking their barges and haulers, have noone to blame but themselves, their choice, their problem.

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You abuse safety mechanics for your own protection because you are cowards.

Why should any game allow play styles for such people? That is just poor game design that needs fixing.

Examples of this abuse of safety mechanics please?

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#82 - 2014-01-06 17:35:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Why should any game allow play styles for such people? That is just poor game design that needs fixing.


And yet it isn't fixed. Want to know why? Because it's not ******* broken.

Rail on all you want about your opinions on the design of the game. Call it poor. Call it ill-conceived. Call it awesome.

Your opinion is irrelevant. All that matters is what the game is designed as and whether you choose to play it.

Poor, defenseless miners are poor, defenseless miners because they choose to be poor, defenseless miners.


Saying the game is designed as is, is pretty stupid don't you think? Why do you think we have these things called "balance patches"

There were people who were saying the same thing pre-mining barge buff and pre-crimewatch. Morons basically. There is loads of broken stuff that hasn't been fixed in years.
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-01-06 17:36:24 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
...along with the no-life forum dwellers...


Nerf Burger wrote:
I see you are still raging after making a complete idiot of yourself in another thread. ******* classic Lol


Nerf Burger wrote:
You are imagining yourself, its called projection. Smile


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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#84 - 2014-01-06 17:37:09 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:

its the activity you choose in the game that defines you. You aren't just some random guys playing a game, you are douchebags, losers and sociopaths who are afraid of challenge and choose to pick on people who won't fight back.
You calling gankers lowlifes, douchebags, sociopaths and losers doesn't make them so. That's your opinion, you're entitled to it even if it is wrong. People who won't fight back have noone to blame but themselves, their choice, their problem.

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You abuse safety mechanics for your own protection because you are cowards.

Why should any game allow play styles for such people? That is just poor game design that needs fixing.

Bullshit.
I do mainly PvE and trade which by your metric is an acceptable style of game play.

Theoretically I then tell you that a lot of my trade is in Catalysts and associated equipment being used to gank miners and T1 indys, by your metric I'm now a war profiteer.

I then tell you, truthfully, that I have a character with 8 suicide ganks to his name. I'm now a murdering douchbag sociopath by your reckoning.

At what stage did my gameplay become unacceptable by your standards? At what point did I cease to be a valuable member of society and become scumbag steve?


can't you tell the difference between someone who has 8 suicide ganks and someone who plays this game solely to inflict as much pain as possible on others?

gtfo
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#85 - 2014-01-06 17:40:36 UTC
I foresee another "I'm quitting Eve" thread in the making.

Can I have your stuff Nerf Burger?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#86 - 2014-01-06 17:41:25 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Why should any game allow play styles for such people? That is just poor game design that needs fixing.

And yet it isn't fixed. Want to know why? Because it's not ******* broken.

Rail on all you want about your opinions on the design of the game. Call it poor. Call it ill-conceived. Call it awesome.

Your opinion is irrelevant. All that matters is what the game is designed as and whether you choose to play it.

Poor, defenseless miners are poor, defenseless miners because they choose to be poor, defenseless miners.

Saying the game is designed as is, is pretty stupid don't you think? Why do you think we have these things called "balance patches"

There were people who were saying the same thing pre-mining barge buff and pre-crimewatch. Morons basically. There is loads of broken stuff that hasn't been fixed in years.

ganking needs to be nerfed more anyway

This is general discussion, we all already know ganking isn't pvp

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#87 - 2014-01-06 17:42:13 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
can't you tell the difference between someone who has 8 suicide ganks and someone who plays this game solely to inflict as much pain as possible on others?

Make up your mind.

Does the activity you choose in the game define you or not?

Also, what does blowing people up in a game that relies on blowing people up tell you about someone other than that they're playing the game as intended?
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#88 - 2014-01-06 17:43:26 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Why should any game allow play styles for such people? That is just poor game design that needs fixing.

And yet it isn't fixed. Want to know why? Because it's not ******* broken.

Rail on all you want about your opinions on the design of the game. Call it poor. Call it ill-conceived. Call it awesome.

Your opinion is irrelevant. All that matters is what the game is designed as and whether you choose to play it.

Poor, defenseless miners are poor, defenseless miners because they choose to be poor, defenseless miners.

Saying the game is designed as is, is pretty stupid don't you think? Why do you think we have these things called "balance patches"

There were people who were saying the same thing pre-mining barge buff and pre-crimewatch. Morons basically. There is loads of broken stuff that hasn't been fixed in years.

ganking needs to be nerfed more anyway

This is general discussion, we all already know ganking isn't pvp


you make too much sense to be in goons.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#89 - 2014-01-06 17:46:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nerf Burger wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:

its the activity you choose in the game that defines you. You aren't just some random guys playing a game, you are douchebags, losers and sociopaths who are afraid of challenge and choose to pick on people who won't fight back.
You calling gankers lowlifes, douchebags, sociopaths and losers doesn't make them so. That's your opinion, you're entitled to it even if it is wrong. People who won't fight back have noone to blame but themselves, their choice, their problem.

Quote:
You abuse safety mechanics for your own protection because you are cowards.

Why should any game allow play styles for such people? That is just poor game design that needs fixing.

Bullshit.
I do mainly PvE and trade which by your metric is an acceptable style of game play.

Theoretically I then tell you that a lot of my trade is in Catalysts and associated equipment being used to gank miners and T1 indys, by your metric I'm now a war profiteer.

I then tell you, truthfully, that I have a character with 8 suicide ganks to his name. I'm now a murdering douchbag sociopath by your reckoning.

At what stage did my gameplay become unacceptable by your standards? At what point did I cease to be a valuable member of society and become scumbag steve?


can't you tell the difference between someone who has 8 suicide ganks and someone who plays this game solely to inflict as much pain as possible on others?

gtfo
I think that you'll find that a lot of the suicide gankers that are more prolific than myself share a fair bit of the way I play. I know of more than a few whose main is a trader or indy or otherwise PvE character. Suicide ganking is a way to create a demand in the localised market for various modules and ships, which can be filled by an indy main/alt.

We take cutthroat business practices seriously.

edit ~ Lol @ that final line. I should have rolled CaldariP

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#90 - 2014-01-06 17:53:29 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
There were people who were saying the same thing pre-mining barge buff and pre-crimewatch. Morons basically. There is loads of broken stuff that hasn't been fixed in years.

So how would you suggest CCP fix high sec?

Oh god.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#91 - 2014-01-06 17:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Riot Girl wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
There were people who were saying the same thing pre-mining barge buff and pre-crimewatch. Morons basically. There is loads of broken stuff that hasn't been fixed in years.

So how would you suggest CCP fix high sec?

Never has your signature been more apt.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#92 - 2014-01-06 18:03:05 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:

There were people who were saying the same thing pre-mining barge buff and pre-crimewatch. Morons basically. There is loads of broken stuff that hasn't been fixed in years.

ganking needs to be nerfed more anyway

This is general discussion, we all already know ganking isn't pvp

you make too much sense to be in goons.

you understand too well to be in an npc corp

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-01-06 18:06:02 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
can't you tell the difference between someone who has 8 suicide ganks and someone who plays this game solely to inflict as much pain as possible on others?

gtfo


Well in that case I must be ok by your standards, since I only have a few hundred suicide ganks to my name & spend most of my time AFK ratting my sec status back.

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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#94 - 2014-01-06 18:06:41 UTC
Meyr wrote:


What is the goal, then, of a typical miner gank, though?

With no strategic or economic benefit from this action, the only justification for it is psychological, meaning that it is simply the satisfaction derived by one person resulting from the destruction of another person or their assets. Pleasure resulting from destruction for no gain is not an inherent trait in most people. It's the behavior of a bully.

Most rational, sane, and civilized people refer to that as the behavior of a 'sociopath', and treat it as such.



I wrote a few times in the sister topic to this one, but I just wanted to briefly take issue with this chunk of the OP.

It assumes too much.

One cannot know the goal of random miner ganks, nor whether they were "typical," in order to ascertain whether this presupposition is correct.

Do some hi sec indy corps not have pvp alt corps they use to run competition away from their territory?

Do some hi sec indy corps hire merc corps to gank their competition until they move out of their territory?

Do some hi sec industrialists have alts in npc corps they use to gank other miners until they move out of their territory?

Is ganking a profitable activity, incentivized by the game's dystopian theme, and allowed by the eula?

Does ganking contribute positively to pgc?

Yes?

Then classifiying every miner gank as the work of sociopathic bullies is simply inaccurate.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#95 - 2014-01-06 18:07:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:

There were people who were saying the same thing pre-mining barge buff and pre-crimewatch. Morons basically. There is loads of broken stuff that hasn't been fixed in years.

ganking needs to be nerfed more anyway

This is general discussion, we all already know ganking isn't pvp

you make too much sense to be in goons.

you understand too well to be in an npc corp
It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#96 - 2014-01-06 18:20:12 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
can't you tell the difference between someone who has 8 suicide ganks and someone who plays this game solely to inflict as much pain as possible on others?

gtfo


Well in that case I must be ok by your standards, since I only have a few hundred suicide ganks to my name & spend most of my time AFK ratting my sec status back.

Man, I should start ganking, but too busy shooting these structures that don't shoot back.

The structures have pretty good tanks, though.

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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#97 - 2014-01-06 18:30:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Man, I should start ganking, but too busy shooting these structures that don't shoot back.

The structures have pretty good tanks, though.


So you shoot at stuff that doesn't shoot back?

Sociopath.

Those structures should stop fitting a tank to maximize ISK/hr.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#98 - 2014-01-06 18:37:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Man, I should start ganking, but too busy shooting these structures that don't shoot back.

The structures have pretty good tanks, though.
Structure grinding, mining for sov.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#99 - 2014-01-06 18:39:44 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Man, I should start ganking, but too busy shooting these structures that don't shoot back.

The structures have pretty good tanks, though.
Structure grinding, mining for sov.

EVE is PVE

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#100 - 2014-01-06 18:45:21 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:

Man, I should start ganking, but too busy shooting these structures that don't shoot back.

The structures have pretty good tanks, though.
Structure grinding, mining for sov.

EVE is PVE

You're evil P

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