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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#361 - 2014-01-05 18:34:31 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
His question was about carriers.

You responded that supercarriers cannot be jammed.
…because those are the ones providing the reps. Thus, the notion that bringing along a lot of ewar as a counter falls flat.

He did not imply that carriers are overpowered because they can be repped by supers — just that ewar is not a viable option.


Interesting. Never seen that myself (at least, it's not common). When CFC got crushed by the giant slowcat fleet a few weeks ago (well, not just slotcats. titans + slowcats + subcaps) the Archons were most definitely repping eachother.

There were no supers repping them.

Maybe I'm being silly. I assumed we were talking about actual fights that actually happen....As opposed to hypothetical fights that have not happened.

Here's an example Archon fit from the massive 2700+ pilot fight in DY-P7Q a few weeks back.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20943717

I happen to see remote reppers fitted to it. Surprise!!!! Roll

Also, it somehow died. I thought that was impossible.

"A few weeks ago."
Yeah, because things can't change.
The reason for the supers now repping the carriers instead of the carriers repping each-other is because the CFC and co. have moved their ships outside of the drone control range of N3PL's carriers. N3PL adapted by filling all of the slowcats' high slots with DLA 2s, which of course means they couldn't fit any remote repair modules. The task fell to supers.
This is what they call the "wrecking ball" doctrine. It's been mentioned several times on the forum and both sides acknowledge it having been used.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#362 - 2014-01-05 18:56:51 UTC
It's like people are just trolling in here

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Josef Djugashvilis
#363 - 2014-01-05 19:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
Alavaria Fera wrote:
It's like people are just trolling in here


Oh the irony of you of all people saying this. Shocked

This is not a signature.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#364 - 2014-01-05 19:13:46 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
It's like people are just trolling in here

Oh the irony of you of all people saying this. Shocked

No irony, I was always trolling in here.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#365 - 2014-01-05 20:19:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Andski wrote:
it's a good thing titans and supercarriers don't use regular drones so they're totally irrelevant in a discussion about drone assist


So I just heard somebody post that because cost and performance are not a linear positive relationship, that cost is not a factor of balance.

Fascinating.


you realize that cost is an afterthought, right


OMG....LOL....

So all those people that have the ISK ratio on their killboards, and boot people who bring down their ratio, they are playing Eve wrong. (actually, they are, but for other reasons than ship performance/ ship cost )
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#366 - 2014-01-05 20:24:08 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So all those people that have the ISK ratio on their killboards
…have nothing to do with balance or with the performance of ships — only with the state of the market.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#367 - 2014-01-05 20:25:29 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So all those people that have the ISK ratio on their killboards
…have nothing to do with balance or with the performance of ships — only with the state of the market.

My killboard has a ridiculous isk ratio.

Because I'm bombing or shooting structures

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#368 - 2014-01-05 20:31:22 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So all those people that have the ISK ratio on their killboards, and boot people who bring down their ratio,

has anyone known a corp that did this that wasn't completely terrible?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#369 - 2014-01-05 20:36:26 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
OMG....LOL....

So all those people that have the ISK ratio on their killboards, and boot people who bring down their ratio, they are playing Eve wrong. (actually, they are, but for other reasons than ship performance/ ship cost )


but how are you going to connect the dots between this and the communist Illuminati's RMT conspiracy?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#370 - 2014-01-05 20:42:43 UTC
Andski wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
OMG....LOL....

So all those people that have the ISK ratio on their killboards, and boot people who bring down their ratio, they are playing Eve wrong. (actually, they are, but for other reasons than ship performance/ ship cost )


but how are you going to connect the dots between this and the communist Illuminati's RMT conspiracy?

THey have to kick ratting alts, don't they

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#371 - 2014-01-06 12:47:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
So all those people that have the ISK ratio on their killboards
…have nothing to do with balance or with the performance of ships — only with the state of the market.


Cost is a factor in balance. This has been backed up by developers - even recently. Several times.

Cry about it if you want, but that's a fact.

Sorry.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#372 - 2014-01-06 13:08:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
[quote=baltec1][quote=Alphea Abbra]Here, from the horses' jackals mouth: Carriers aren't an issue.


Name the subcap fleet that can kill them.


well, I think 800-900 alpha maelstroms will kill them pretty fine. Too many? What do you expect shooting capital fleets of that size, a number game your alliances started by bloating up fleets with thrash. The difference in case of N3 is they arent bloating their fleet with thrash but with proper ships.
Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#373 - 2014-01-06 14:48:16 UTC
I Have to say i have never understood why they allowed people to circumnavigate the standed drone protocols with assists, you have a drone bandwidth for a reason, and yet for some reason a ship is allowed to completely ignore this when it comes to assists.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#374 - 2014-01-06 15:20:42 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
I Have to say i have never understood why they allowed people to circumnavigate the standed drone protocols with assists, you have a drone bandwidth for a reason, and yet for some reason a ship is allowed to completely ignore this when it comes to assists.


noone is circumventing anything, you can only launch as many drones as your bandwith allows you to launch, this is
why a carrier can service 10 drones in space and a domi just 5
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#375 - 2014-01-06 16:56:59 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Decaneos wrote:
I Have to say i have never understood why they allowed people to circumnavigate the standed drone protocols with assists, you have a drone bandwidth for a reason, and yet for some reason a ship is allowed to completely ignore this when it comes to assists.


noone is circumventing anything, you can only launch as many drones as your bandwith allows you to launch, this is
why a carrier can service 10 drones in space and a domi just 5


you realize you're wrong right, unless you haven't noticed that domis can't launch 25 light drones

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#376 - 2014-01-06 17:06:24 UTC
well ok you're right but you got the idea. The bandwith doesnt have anything to do with the assist at all since you cant launch more drones than you usually would, you simply partially delegate control over them to someone else.
Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#377 - 2014-01-06 17:15:00 UTC
but... but... this is like 80% of my killboard!

i earned those kills. it's a very tricky right-click and that watchlist thing just doesn't work for me.

forums.  serious business.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#378 - 2014-01-06 17:18:10 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:

i earned those kills. it's a very tricky right-click and that watchlist thing just doesn't work for me.


its not much less tricky than "click in broadcast and press F1".
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#379 - 2014-01-06 18:11:08 UTC
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
but... but... this is like 80% of my killboard!

i earned those kills. it's a very tricky right-click and that watchlist thing just doesn't work for me.

Assisting your drones to the FC is a big deal.

Even elite pvpers take a while to understand such an elegant method of fighting.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#380 - 2014-01-06 22:20:52 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Alphea Abbra wrote:
[quote=baltec1][quote=Alphea Abbra]Here, from the horses' jackals mouth: Carriers aren't an issue.


Name the subcap fleet that can kill them.


well, I think 800-900 alpha maelstroms will kill them pretty fine. Too many? What do you expect shooting capital fleets of that size, a number game your alliances started by bloating up fleets with thrash. The difference in case of N3 is they arent bloating their fleet with thrash but with proper ships.

Maels are just going to die too fast. Killing maybe one Archon every 20 seconds if ALL fleets manage to focus fire at the same time on the same ship, whereas two fleets of Archons (the spider tanking kind since Maels don't have the range to require N3PL to use the wrecking ball comp) could easily kill two Maelstroms every 4 to 8 seconds.

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