Ships & Modules

Don't buff tier 1s, nerf tier 2s. They're way too good for their price and the last thing we need is more of them flying around.

I disagree that tier 2's are too good. It's tier 1's could use a boost. I don't think they need much love, they just need their slots/HP/CPU/PG increased to be comparable to tier 2's (obviously mineral costs should go up too). All of them have their own little flavor, so no change in bonuses are needed. CS's would require slot adjustments as well to reflect their new tech 1 counterparts.

I think it's appropriate to also say why I think tier 2 BC's are fine as is since many think them overpowered. They fit into the brawler line up perfectly, being between BS's and cruisers (t1 or t2) in dps/tank. Now yes they can have BS level dps but then have cruiser tank or they can have cruiser dps with BS tank. But they can't have both at the same time. HAC's and other t2 cruisers make their name on mobility, not dps/tank. And there is no disputing that a vagabond, ishtar, zealot or cerberus has an overwhelming speed/agility advantage over even the quickest tier 2 BC's. The recons can claim the same too. Even CS's have their place.

CS's fit into the brawler lineup pretty well despite their unpopularity. They don't have any major advantage in dps or buffer, although both are slightly better. Their advantage is in resistance which results in logi being far more effective. The last few times I went out in a BS heavy fleet (ages ago tbh), I actually favored the absolution. I didn't regret that move despite being one of the higher priority targets for the opposing side. A good CS with skilled logi support is far more difficult to kill than a BS or t1 BC with the same logi support. And they don't have to sacrifice any dps to be that tough.

The vast blobs of Drakes and Hurricanes beg to differ.
Tier 1 BCs are not bad ships based on slot layout etc. - they're bad ships because tier 2s exist.


Do you even play this game? It doesn't look like it.

To be honest, the only tier 1 BC that actually needs a rework is the Prophecy. Why? Because it's the only one where, if you nerfed its tier 2 counterpart, it would still be useless. It needs a distinct role or style. For example; making it a missile boat instead.

Basically this. ^

And once we are done nerfing this lets nerf everything els ohh the rifter and punisher are the best frig they need a nerf too and then lets nerf all of eve down to the point where its only a ibis and a civi rail gun and you know what i get you still cry nerf.

Instead of having that pig headed nerf everything attitude how about be buff the under performers instead bring the tier ones close CLOSE to the performance of tier 2 but still not quite as good.

Tier 2 BCs are too good compared to cruisers. BCs got more of everything compared to cruisers with very few drawbacks. They should be to cruisers what destroyers are to frigates.

Edit: Also, get rid of the tier system!

Yeah, but BCs have more mids and lows compared to the top tier cruisers while the destroyers actually have less mids and lows than the top tier frigs.

The only "nerf" tier 2 battlecruisers need is that some of their rigslots need to be large rigslots.

Tier 2 battlecruisers come close to battleships and battleships if you lose the lower tiered ones aren't even that more expensive after insurance. The thing that makes the big big difference is the large vs medium rig size, where with a battlecruiser the lost rigs are just a bit of isk, for a battleship pilots the rigs are the largest part of the costs when his ship blows up.

^^ that.

I think an extra slot + powergrid + CPU could do wonders for tier 1 BC's. Most of them have different functions than tier 2:

- ferox is turrets , drake is missiles, cane is passive tank , cyclone is active, brutix is turrets , myrm is drones. prophecy has bonus to armor , harbi to guns.

Look at tier 1 BS's vs tier 2 , different function and used differently but can achieve similar tank and gank.

What we need is tier 1 normalization : similar amount of weapon mounts ,highs, mids, lows and of course the grid + CPU to fit them. Different functions - this they already have. A bit less EHP than tier 2. That's what tier 1s should look like.

Tier 1's are fine in theory. In practice they suffer from having terrible bonuses, or terrible pilots.

Cyclone: Probably the best tier 1. A good cost efficient solo PVP boat that will get many to engage when they wouldn't engage against a hurricane.

Ferox: Suffers from hybrids being bad. Will have to wait until the buff really goes through to see how well they'll do.

Brutix: Active armor rep bonus is useless, especially when we have the myrmidon for all active armor needs. The ship needs something else to make it more viable than a shield gank fit.

Prophecy: The worst of the bunch. The armor resist bonus is great, but the laser capacitor use bonus is worthless, as with no corresponding damage or rate of fire bonus, autocannons become the best option in every situation. Switch the capacitor use bonus to a damage bonus.