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Not great PVP game as it's marketing campraign says

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Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#81 - 2014-01-06 16:01:48 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Agreed. PVP is eve is poor but until a better game comes out, it's all we have.


Maybe eve valkyrie fixes that and we see ncie pvp in virtual reality.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#82 - 2014-01-06 16:09:30 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Older graphic cards use differently the write and their dram than new graphic cards and since lineage 2 uses unreal engine 2 it doesn t cooperate well with new graphic cards.

Since I can t link you the lineage forum google high end pcs lag lineage 2 or something like that and you ll see that pcs with solid states how they run it.


I've done as you've suggested and have gleaned the following:

1) Lineage 2 has been badly coded and the engine it runs on, Unreal 2, isn't very well optimised.

2) Lineage 2 isn't capable of using more than 2GB RAM and therefore pages anything above this to the HD/SSD which is what causes a lot of the lag as it almost always needs more than 2GB RAM so HD can't keep up with the read/write speed needed whereas an SSD can.

3) Lag doesn't seem to have anything to do with graphics cards other than people putting the graphics settings up above what their graphics card is capable of processing (which is applicable to any game).

4) Old PCs had faster single cores than the speed of the multicore processors of today. As Lineage 2 was designed to be single threaded it needs as much speed out of a single processor core as it can get, not lots of slower cores and so in some situations it runs slightly better on older PCs than newer. However, I doubt very much that this alone would give the frame rate difference you're stating.

So basically, most of what you've said has been incorrect. You appear to have a rough idea that Lineage 2 is better with an SSD but all your points were wrong.

Taking that, please consider the possibility that your view of EVE PVP is equally erroneous.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#83 - 2014-01-06 16:20:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
Tchulen wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Older graphic cards use differently the write and their dram than new graphic cards and since lineage 2 uses unreal engine 2 it doesn t cooperate well with new graphic cards.

Since I can t link you the lineage forum google high end pcs lag lineage 2 or something like that and you ll see that pcs with solid states how they run it.


I've done as you've suggested and have gleaned the following:

1) Lineage 2 has been badly coded and the engine it runs on, Unreal 2, isn't very well optimised.

2) Lineage 2 isn't capable of using more than 2GB RAM and therefore pages anything above this to the HD/SSD which is what causes a lot of the lag as it almost always needs more than 2GB RAM so HD can't keep up with the read/write speed needed whereas an SSD can.

3) Lag doesn't seem to have anything to do with graphics cards other than people putting the graphics settings up above what their graphics card is capable of processing (which is applicable to any game).

4) Old PCs had faster single cores than the speed of the multicore processors of today. As Lineage 2 was designed to be single threaded it needs as much speed out of a single processor core as it can get, not lots of slower cores and so in some situations it runs slightly better on older PCs than newer. However, I doubt very much that this alone would give the frame rate difference you're stating.

So basically, most of what you've said has been incorrect. You appear to have a rough idea that Lineage 2 is better with an SSD but all your points were wrong.

Taking that, please consider the possibility that your view of EVE PVP is equally erroneous.


So with ssd the game doesn t run better in high end pcs?No it does.The whole thing was that with an ssd high end pc can play bad engine games like lineage 2.Simple.So for eve PVP keep your opinion and I ll keep mine.Every person can have his opinion.So who is right and who is wrong time will tell slowly and for now time shows that 10 year of eve and 20k active players aren't much.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#84 - 2014-01-06 16:23:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
What if EVE had controlled areas from pirates and if you wanted to enter you should pay a fee.Only limited ships could enter and all ships were split randomly in teams and fought each other.Of course if you lost your ship you should buy it again etc.Something like that.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#85 - 2014-01-06 16:30:38 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
So with ssd the game doesn t run better in high end pcs?No it does.The whole thing was that with an ssd high end pc can play bad engine games like lineage 2.Simple.So for eve PVP keep your opinion and I ll keep mine.Every person can have his opinion.So who is right and who is wrong time will tell slowly and for now time shows that 10 year of eve and 20k active players aren't much.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however incorrect it might be.

You've shown throughout this thread that your facts are wrong and as opinion is based from one's accumulated facts it seems likely that your opinion is as wrong as your facts.

I merely asked you to have a think about that, nothing more. You're welcome to stick to your opinion.

One last thing though.... You should stop trying to make out there are only 20,000 active players. Every blatantly incorrect assertion from you strerngthens my argument and weakens yours.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#86 - 2014-01-06 16:37:08 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
What if EVE had controlled areas from pirates and if you wanted to enter you should pay a fee.Only limited ships could enter and all ships were split randomly in teams and fought each other.Of course if you lost your ship you should buy it again etc.Something like that.



Why would anyone go there?
Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#87 - 2014-01-06 16:46:33 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
What if EVE had controlled areas from pirates and if you wanted to enter you should pay a fee.Only limited ships could enter and all ships were split randomly in teams and fought each other.Of course if you lost your ship you should buy it again etc.Something like that.



Why would anyone go there?


So they can have tiered, balanced, civil war style PVP (line up and shoot at the other guys lined up). I guess some people just cant take crowds, so they want the party in their tiny cubicle where only a few people can come in.

Alright, for what purpose would you pay a fee? would someone win the pot? If so, how would you stop people from throwing the match? If not, I'll second Danika's question; Why Bother?

Get some Eve. Make it yours.

Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#88 - 2014-01-06 16:56:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme more Cynos
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Rovinia wrote:
Than show me one. I had fun 1v1 in all of these games, also in Eve. But all of these were very rare. Really balanced were allways only the group fights. And that's a good thing.

Ok, i should have changed "never" to "seldom" Blink


seldom is quite accurate. I've had great 1vs1 in WoW back in those BC days, and I've had great 2vs2 at arenas basically all the time. I've had 1vs1 in eve too, but the majority of fights were battles one side just outnumbered.

NOT that I say that there's anything wrong with it -> I know what I'm doing and I don't feel pitty for losses at all. It's just that such fights aren't exactly great PvP, and this is what this thread is all about I think.

EvE can offer some great PvP, but the majority of fights I've attended were no great fights at all. losing because you got outnumbered isn't great. It's ok as you've commited to those fights too (either because you engaged, or because you were a fool whitch got catched ;)), but great PvP is certainly different.

The same is true for blobbing someone else. Great, you blobbed someone and killed him (yay, success \o/ lol ), but it doesn't give you any thrill at all. That thrill however is important for great PvP (my hearts beating, my hands are shaking! ;)).



PVP on equal numbers and condition is utterly stupid and boring. If you want to do that, go play chess. Eve havs very very little depth within a 1v1 combat (contrary to chess), It was made so that the superio skills of a group manifest in a fleet or in political level, not in a 1v1 ship arena of infinite boredom.


If you would have cared to read, you would've noticed that this isn't primarily about 1vs1. It's about the fact that outnumbered wins / losses aren't great PvP. Winning or losing because someone just outnumbered someone else isn't great. It's PvP, yes. It happens, yes. It is totally fine, yes. But it's no breathtaking activity ;)



But winning when you are outnumbered is the apex of PVP in eve!!!!


I thought the Apex of PvP is whining about PVEer's which escape ganks because of local and the apex of PvE is whining about afk-cloakers? ;)
Astroniomix
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-01-06 17:57:52 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:


So with ssd the game doesn t run better in high end pcs?No it does.The whole thing was that with an ssd high end pc can play bad engine games like lineage 2.Simple.So for eve PVP keep your opinion and I ll keep mine.Every person can have his opinion.So who is right and who is wrong time will tell slowly and for now time shows that 10 year of eve and 20k active players aren't much.

Actually you are not "entitled" to your opinion in this matter, you are discussing something that can be objectively proven false.

Also time has been "telling" that EvE is successful for the past 10 years.

You aren't the first special snowflake to think PvP should be all about "fair fights" (most 1v1s aren't fair) and you won't be the last. So feel free to go back to getting your ass handed to you in 1v1s in some ****** FTP MMO.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#90 - 2014-01-06 18:58:07 UTC
The thing with EVE PvP is that its not just tactical (which is what i think the OP desires). EVE is a complex sandbox game with multiple layers of PvP. Half the battle is about the resources and strategy u bring to the battlefield. to ignore ur strategic options is to lose the battle before it has even started.

-If u cannot beat ur opponents SP's, use a better ship
-If u cannot beat ur opponents ship, defeat him with pilot skill
-if u cant do that, try to outsmart him.
-if u cant do that, out perform him socially and economically and then steam roll him with massive fleets.
-If ur opponent brings massive fleets, use a group of highly skilled and experienced pilots with superior equipment and tactics/strategies.

This talk of losing fights before they've even started is only talking on the small scale of things. EVE on the other hand, is not about the small scale of things. Everyone starts this game with almost no wealth or SP's. and THATS where the fight starts, and everything u do and everything u learn is a build up to every fight u have.

ur losing fights becuse of at least one of the below. Ur:

using the wrong ship and equipment
a terrible pilot
strategically inept
un-sociable
poor

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#91 - 2014-01-07 13:03:21 UTC
[quote=Daichi Yamato]The thing with EVE PvP is that its not just tactical (which is what i think the OP desires). EVE is a complex sandbox game with multiple layers of PvP. Half the battle is about the resources and strategy u bring to the battlefield. to ignore ur strategic options is to lose the battle before it has even started.

-If u cannot beat ur opponents SP's, use a better ship
-If u cannot beat ur opponents ship, defeat him with pilot skill
-if u cant do that, try to outsmart him.
-if u cant do that, out perform him socially and economically and then steam roll him with massive fleets.
-If ur opponent brings massive fleets, use a group of highly skilled and experienced pilots with superior equipment and tactics/strategies.

This talk of losing fights before they've even started is only talking on the small scale of things. EVE on the other hand, is not about the small scale of things. Everyone starts this game with almost no wealth or SP's. and THATS where the fight starts, and everything u do and everything u learn is a build up to every fight u have.

ur losing fights becuse of at least one of the below. Ur:

using the wrong ship and equipment
a terrible pilot
strategically inept
un-sociable
poor


I don t think there are any ships that can solo a gang or PVP one vw one since as i told this thing doesn t exist in eve.Yes i don t like fleets i just want to have good pvp fights one vs one.I have spent 10b in ships which all were lost to gangs and more gangs.FOr the other people that answer more than one times to every opinion to every other player PLEASE YOU SAID YOUR OPINION ONCE why saying all the time it s wrong i am wrong etc.The thing is simple you can answer if you like it you can answer if you don t like it.No 5-10 posts each one so they hear you cause you know you aare wrong and you don t know what 1 vs 1 is and other games have.PLEASE!

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#92 - 2014-01-07 13:30:04 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I don t think there are any ships that can solo a gang or PVP one vw one since as i told this thing doesn t exist in eve.Yes i don t like fleets i just want to have good pvp fights one vs one.I have spent 10b in ships which all were lost to gangs and more gangs.FOr the other people that answer more than one times to every opinion to every other player PLEASE YOU SAID YOUR OPINION ONCE why saying all the time it s wrong i am wrong etc.The thing is simple you can answer if you like it you can answer if you don t like it.No 5-10 posts each one so they hear you cause you know you aare wrong and you don t know what 1 vs 1 is and other games have.PLEASE!


But it's OK for you to post multiple times saying the same thing? It's OK for you to state your opinion over and over but it's not OK for anyone else to do the same? One rule for you and another for everyone else, it seems. And as for claiming that you know what 1v1 PVP is and no one else does, that's just out and out stupid. Of course everyone else knows what 1v1 PVP is. What on earth are you thinking? Do you honestly think that you alone know the best way for EVE to progress as a game and every other player is too mentally challenged to comprehend the simplest of game concepts? Really? Surely you can't be that delusional! Well, I guess you can, come to think of how incorrect you've been on so many other things and point blank refuse to see it.

You have the right to make suggestions for or against any idea or feature on this forum but similarly so does everyone else. Every time you answer someone or post a comment or opinion you are inherently asking others to comment on it. Asking people not to comment on a forum thread is like asking a cat not to chase mice. Completely pointless.

And as for people posting multiple answers, it doesn't seem to be for other people to notice them. They all seem to be in answer to whatever you or others have said. The more you reiterate your opinion the more others will reiterate theirs. Them's the breaks, I'm afraid.

Just because you want to have a WOW based PVP arena added to the game doesn't mean everyone else should agree with you. Considering the number of times this has come up and the amount of resistance that has come about on the threads regarding it I'd happily state that it's unlikely to happen. It also doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't agree with you should keep quiet. Completely the opposite, actually. Since the F&I forums act as a proving ground for CCP it would be detrimental for those that disagree with you if no one spoke up against it.

As for your first statement, don't be ridiculous! You yourself said you had 10-15% of fights as 1v1 fights at the beginning of this thread. It clearly exists in EVE, you just can't be bothered to look for it even though several people have explained to you how to find it. As for no ships that can fight vs a small fleet or solo, again don't be ridiculous, you've had it explained to you that people do this. Just because you can't doesn't mean other people don't do it. You complain of others repeating the same things but you yourself have been doing it constantly through this thread. "I just want to have good pvp fights one vs one". Fine. Either do as you've been told and you'll find one vs one fights or go and play another game. It really is that simple. There is no need for CCP to implement something that most people who play the game actively don't want just for one or two special snowflakes who would, in all probability, lose repeatedly in said arena anyway as they've likely no idea how to fly or fight.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2014-01-07 13:38:03 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:

As I told we were talking for lineage 2 old unreal 2 engine.It runs better in older pcs than in new high end pcs.Search it on google to see it for yourself.INew pcs just need an ssd so they don t lag.Also this has to do with windows .Older windows play older games newer windows can t play older games cause of compatibility.We are out of subject though.



I don't need to search it. I have enough professional experience writing games for the engines used on those to know that you are wrong! You are compeltely outmatched here, better to back off... the internet is now where knowledge is...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2014-01-07 13:45:05 UTC
ok time for me to feed the troll

1st eve is a pvp game with some pve content. And now i state simply the facts. We have market pvp because everything u use has to be either produced or atleast sold by players. You have the chance of 1vs1 thats called duels. But most importantly eve pvp is real pvp, that means u have to pick and choose your fights, because u only fight when the odds are in your favour. Basically in eve the player learns to bend the rules their ways, if u cant do that im sorry to hear that but then u shouldn't blame the game.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#95 - 2014-01-07 13:47:23 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:

As I told we were talking for lineage 2 old unreal 2 engine.It runs better in older pcs than in new high end pcs.Search it on google to see it for yourself.INew pcs just need an ssd so they don t lag.Also this has to do with windows .Older windows play older games newer windows can t play older games cause of compatibility.We are out of subject though.



I don't need to search it. I have enough professional experience writing games for the engines used on those to know that you are wrong! You are compeltely outmatched here, better to back off... the internet is now where knowledge is...



Why you think you know everything?With an ssd the game runs fine without it even in pcs that can run full details 1920x1080 games like crysis battlefield etc can t run lineage 2 .Gratz for your job though but if you are saying the truth you would know what i m saying and how lineage 2 or older angines work with newer pcs.Anyway i m bored of saying same and same things like talking to kids .When some people grow up they will understand or if they had experience from 286 era games then they would understand better.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Deryn Angrard
Lightning Squad
Snuffed Out
#96 - 2014-01-07 13:53:13 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Daichi Yamato wrote:
The thing with EVE PvP is that its not just tactical (which is what i think the OP desires). EVE is a complex sandbox game with multiple layers of PvP. Half the battle is about the resources and strategy u bring to the battlefield. to ignore ur strategic options is to lose the battle before it has even started.

-If u cannot beat ur opponents SP's, use a better ship
-If u cannot beat ur opponents ship, defeat him with pilot skill
-if u cant do that, try to outsmart him.
-if u cant do that, out perform him socially and economically and then steam roll him with massive fleets.
-If ur opponent brings massive fleets, use a group of highly skilled and experienced pilots with superior equipment and tactics/strategies.

This talk of losing fights before they've even started is only talking on the small scale of things. EVE on the other hand, is not about the small scale of things. Everyone starts this game with almost no wealth or SP's. and THATS where the fight starts, and everything u do and everything u learn is a build up to every fight u have.


ur losing fights becuse of at least one of the below. Ur:

using the wrong ship and equipment
a terrible pilot
strategically inept
un-sociable
poor


I don t think there are any ships that can solo a gang or PVP one vw one since as i told this thing doesn t exist in eve.Yes i don t like fleets i just want to have good pvp fights one vs one.I have spent 10b in ships which all were lost to gangs and more gangs.FOr the other people that answer more than one times to every opinion to every other player PLEASE YOU SAID YOUR OPINION ONCE why saying all the time it s wrong i am wrong etc.The thing is simple you can answer if you like it you can answer if you don t like it.No 5-10 posts each one so they hear you cause you know you aare wrong and you don t know what 1 vs 1 is and other games have.PLEASE!


Creating 1v1s in eve isnt that hard if you try. Pull a tackler away from his fleet and kill him before his friends can help, you can do this on cruiser sized ships too, pull away their fastest ships, kill them and then go to kill their slower ships.

I have never understood the idea of honorable or fair PVP, nobody is going to lose a ship if they can avoid it.
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#97 - 2014-01-07 13:53:56 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I don t think there are any ships that can solo a gang or PVP one vw one since as i told this thing doesn t exist in eve.Yes i don t like fleets i just want to have good pvp fights one vs one.I have spent 10b in ships which all were lost to gangs and more gangs.FOr the other people that answer more than one times to every opinion to every other player PLEASE YOU SAID YOUR OPINION ONCE why saying all the time it s wrong i am wrong etc.The thing is simple you can answer if you like it you can answer if you don t like it.No 5-10 posts each one so they hear you cause you know you aare wrong and you don t know what 1 vs 1 is and other games have.PLEASE!


But it's OK for you to post multiple times saying the same thing? It's OK for you to state your opinion over and over but it's not OK for anyone else to do the same? One rule for you and another for everyone else, it seems. And as for claiming that you know what 1v1 PVP is and no one else does, that's just out and out stupid. Of course everyone else knows what 1v1 PVP is. What on earth are you thinking? Do you honestly think that you alone know the best way for EVE to progress as a game and every other player is too mentally challenged to comprehend the simplest of game concepts? Really? Surely you can't be that delusional! Well, I guess you can, come to think of how incorrect you've been on so many other things and point blank refuse to see it.

You have the right to make suggestions for or against any idea or feature on this forum but similarly so does everyone else. Every time you answer someone or post a comment or opinion you are inherently asking others to comment on it. Asking people not to comment on a forum thread is like asking a cat not to chase mice. Completely pointless.

And as for people posting multiple answers, it doesn't seem to be for other people to notice them. They all seem to be in answer to whatever you or others have said. The more you reiterate your opinion the more others will reiterate theirs. Them's the breaks, I'm afraid.

Just because you want to have a WOW based PVP arena added to the game doesn't mean everyone else should agree with you. Considering the number of times this has come up and the amount of resistance that has come about on the threads regarding it I'd happily state that it's unlikely to happen. It also doesn't mean that everyone who doesn't agree with you should keep quiet. Completely the opposite, actually. Since the F&I forums act as a proving ground for CCP it would be detrimental for those that disagree with you if no one spoke up against it.

As for your first statement, don't be ridiculous! You yourself said you had 10-15% of fights as 1v1 fights at the beginning of this thread. It clearly exists in EVE, you just can't be bothered to look for it even though several people have explained to you how to find it. As for no ships that can fight vs a small fleet or solo, again don't be ridiculous, you've had it explained to you that people do this. Just because you can't doesn't mean other people don't do it. You complain of others repeating the same things but you yourself have been doing it constantly through this thread. "I just want to have good pvp fights one vs one". Fine. Either do as you've been told and you'll find one vs one fights or go and play another game. It really is that simple. There is no need for CCP to implement something that most people who play the game actively don't want just for one or two special snowflakes who would, in all probability, lose repeatedly in said arena anyway as they've likely no idea how to fly or fight.


I won t argue with you anymore cause probably i m older than you and you haven t played that many games to see what great 1 vs 1 fights mean in other games and could be on eve and probably valkyrie will have it.And yes searching for 8 hours which is my record to find just a 1 vs 1 fight is ridiculous.I will keep my opinion you can have your as I said.People like eve as it is I really don t think a 20k active players represents that,I really don t think so this game doesn t have potential so that why I bother ,I don t think so CCP would shrink if their sales would going well .Any civilized person should respect every opinion and I respect yours and all others .I don t respect though people who think they own games like eve cause they are old players,I don t respect people who don t like changes and are stuck in the present and past and don t see the future.Thank you again.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!

Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#98 - 2014-01-07 14:41:34 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
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You're not going to argue because you have nothing to argue with. As Kagura Nikon said: "the internet is now where knowledge is". I've refuted your many statements through a quick search online to a page you yourself suggested, showing that although you might have read it you certainly didn't understand it. You say Kagura doesn't know what she's talking about but it's actually you that doesn't have a clue.

As for my age, considering you write like a six year old I'm guessing (and hoping) that english isn't your first language which means it's a little difficult to judge your age from your posts. That or it's intentional bad language due to you being a troll but I won't get into that debate now. I doubt you're older than I am but if you are, congratulations, you get to die first. I do have several decades of game playing under my belt though so it's not like I don't have something to go on.

You keep saying that EVE has 20,000 active players. Where have you got this figure from? Please post a link to this information's source. I expect you won't though and will completely ignore the question because it's just a figure you've picked out of thin air and has no basis in fact whatsoever.

Whilst I respect your right to have an opinion I certainly don't respect your opinion if it's based on fantasy or fiction and therefore is wrong. If I had the opinion that the earth was flat should my opinion be respected? No! Clearly not because it's been proved to be wrong. Thus it is with yours.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#99 - 2014-01-07 15:51:50 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:


I won t argue with you anymore cause probably i m older than you


wat?!

yeah, i can see this game is definitely not what u are looking for. these 1v1's do happen, but not as often as fights where ppl will bring every resource they can to the table.

and really, if they have taken the time to build their resources and make friends to play with, why shouldn't they bring them to the fight?

Just as u like a good tactical fight, ppl in eve enjoy gathering resources, making friends, building an empire, and using that empire to stomp on other ppls empires. its as much a strategy game to some players as it is a fighting game to others.

and ppl also like baiting enemy fleets into a position to be ambushed. This is the multi-levelled pvp sandbox that is eve. there is no sanity in calling it a 'poor pvp game'.

what u could do is try to create a corp designed around PvP dueling,

invite ppl in who want to fight in ur 'tournament'
fleet them, and fight at a secret location (safe point), only ppl in fleet will be able to quickly locate u
Have out of corp 'referees' with RR ships to step in incase of foul play
Have an in corp 'referee' with a powerful ship ready to obliterate any cheaters

with any success u'll start a 'thing' and ppl will flock to ur tourny

EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"

Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs

I am disposable
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2014-01-07 16:15:19 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I have said it and I will say it once more.I went to try factional warfare since I was told only in factional warfare I can find good PVP (player vs player and not players vs player) combats.Well at first 3 fights I was excited since I had great one vs one battles even if i lost.After that ,20 combats followed and all were ganging ganging and more ganging.

So in my 20 fights only 3 were one vs one we are talking for a pathetic 10-15%.

Why not gates in factional warfare don t let one ship from each faction to pass only once so they could fight each other?This would make 1 vs 1 real PVP possible.

Why not systems that would allow certain numbers of ships can t be created?

Compared to lineage 2 or other MMOs this is the worst PVP game I have ever tried end really regretting paying for it in first months.

It s current PVP system only allows ganging and nothing more.


PVP in EVE is not like PVP in other games. Deal with it.