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Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#61 - 2014-01-06 12:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
Nag'o wrote:
I agree with the OP that real 1v1 battles in EVE are almost inexistent. I also agree that FW is the right ground for some 1v1 system implementation since a) it's already a system built for staged pvp and b) it has a lot of room for improvements.
Removing combat offgrid boosting is a great step foward. As suggested by the OP there could be some type of complex that only allows 1 ship from each faction at a time. Make it so the complex counter stops as long as there is an opposing ship on the grid so ppl will have trouble exploiting it.
EVE needs some ground for solo players to prove their skills against each other. That is what PVP is on it's core. I don't agree when the OP says EVE is a bad PVP game. I think it one of the best PVP games out there. But it really sucks for solo players.



Great answer great points.Thank you Sir.At least some people in here understand what i m trying to say .

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Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#62 - 2014-01-06 12:44:44 UTC
And for those that said this game has great PVP and there is solo PVP how many years i must play to find just a 1 vs 1 fight while in other games you find it it some days or weeks?

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Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#63 - 2014-01-06 12:48:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Egravant Alduin
Tchulen wrote:
I think the conclusion to this thread is that there is PVP in all it's variety out there in EVE for those who want to find it and are willing to put in some effort and thought but for those that either can't be bothered to put in the effort or are incapable of doing the thinking it might well appear that there isn't.

The OP and those like him have been given many suggestions on how to solve their problems. His/their unwillingness to even think about them or put any actual effort in and his continued and pointless insistence on CCP implementing a 1v1 hand holding and "fairness" rules enforcing arena merely lend weight to the argument that it's completely pointless trying to help him.

EVE simply isn't the game for people like that. It's a shame that they refuse the help that's offered them but it's pointless to continue to try to help those that cannot be helped.

Sorry OP. Try a different game as you clearly don't understand EVE.


I have tried many games and soon my friend i ll return to lineage 2 who has great PVP.I m jsut waiting to get my solid state since lineage 2 engine is for old pcs.With people thinking like that in here this game soon will die as it already does, only 20k active players which is a very bad number for a 10 year game.That s why CCP employees are staying less and less.Sorry for that.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2014-01-06 12:56:20 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I have said it and I will say it once more.I went to try factional warfare since I was told only in factional warfare I can find good PVP (player vs player and not players vs player) combats.Well at first 3 fights I was excited since I had great one vs one battles even if i lost.After that ,20 combats followed and all were ganging ganging and more ganging.

So in my 20 fights only 3 were one vs one we are talking for a pathetic 10-15%.

Why not gates in factional warfare don t let one ship from each faction to pass only once so they could fight each other?This would make 1 vs 1 real PVP possible.

Why not systems that would allow certain numbers of ships can t be created?

Compared to lineage 2 or other MMOs this is the worst PVP game I have ever tried end really regretting paying for it in first months.

It s current PVP system only allows ganging and nothing more.



This is a PVP game, that is the main reason why you will not get many 1v1. Because 1v1 is nto PVP, its a joke!

What you want woudl go COMPLETELY and utterly agaisnt all of what eve is,

If you cannot handle what eve is, then you are not a PVPer and should leave. Nothing to be ashamed, not everyone is able to handle a challenge.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-01-06 12:57:44 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
I think the conclusion to this thread is that there is PVP in all it's variety out there in EVE for those who want to find it and are willing to put in some effort and thought but for those that either can't be bothered to put in the effort or are incapable of doing the thinking it might well appear that there isn't.

The OP and those like him have been given many suggestions on how to solve their problems. His/their unwillingness to even think about them or put any actual effort in and his continued and pointless insistence on CCP implementing a 1v1 hand holding and "fairness" rules enforcing arena merely lend weight to the argument that it's completely pointless trying to help him.

EVE simply isn't the game for people like that. It's a shame that they refuse the help that's offered them but it's pointless to continue to try to help those that cannot be helped.

Sorry OP. Try a different game as you clearly don't understand EVE.


I have tried many games and soon my friend i ll return to lineage 2 who has great PVP.I m jsut waiting to get my solid state since lineage 2 engine is for old pcs.With people thinking like that in here this game soon will die as it already does, only 20k active players which is a very bad number for a 10 year game.That s why CCP employees are staying less and less.Sorry for that.



You realize that if this game was dieign it woudl nto be increasign in subscriptiosn (altough slowly) for the last 10 years? Its simply one of the most successfull western MMOs.

In fact its the ONLY MMO in the market. Everythign else are sugar coated embelished arenas with instances and handholding PVE with no consequences.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2014-01-06 12:58:34 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Nag'o wrote:
I agree with the OP that real 1v1 battles in EVE are almost inexistent. I also agree that FW is the right ground for some 1v1 system implementation since a) it's already a system built for staged pvp and b) it has a lot of room for improvements.
Removing combat offgrid boosting is a great step foward. As suggested by the OP there could be some type of complex that only allows 1 ship from each faction at a time. Make it so the complex counter stops as long as there is an opposing ship on the grid so ppl will have trouble exploiting it.
EVE needs some ground for solo players to prove their skills against each other. That is what PVP is on it's core. I don't agree when the OP says EVE is a bad PVP game. I think it one of the best PVP games out there. But it really sucks for solo players.



Great answer great points.Thank you Sir.At least some people in here understand what i m trying to say .



Yes youa re wrong, eve is not a place for FAIR fights. FW is the last place for htat. FW means faction WARFARE. Most important thing in war is that you never let the fight be fair.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#67 - 2014-01-06 13:00:29 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Sigh, all PvP EVE has is Skill Point Blob vs Skill Point Blob. Unless some real blunders are committed, blob worth more skill points would always win. EVE has no PvP to offer to newer characters unless you can get enough of them to cover the skill points gap of the blob.



Completely wrong, clearly yuo never tried to PVP long enough.


Inteligence, data gathering, selection of tactics and weapons and coordination are far more important than character skills.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-01-06 13:18:33 UTC
Rovinia wrote:
Than show me one. I had fun 1v1 in all of these games, also in Eve. But all of these were very rare. Really balanced were allways only the group fights. And that's a good thing.

Ok, i should have changed "never" to "seldom" Blink


seldom is quite accurate. I've had great 1vs1 in WoW back in those BC days, and I've had great 2vs2 at arenas basically all the time. I've had 1vs1 in eve too, but the majority of fights were battles one side just outnumbered.

NOT that I say that there's anything wrong with it -> I know what I'm doing and I don't feel pitty for losses at all. It's just that such fights aren't exactly great PvP, and this is what this thread is all about I think.

EvE can offer some great PvP, but the majority of fights I've attended were no great fights at all. losing because you got outnumbered isn't great. It's ok as you've commited to those fights too (either because you engaged, or because you were a fool whitch got catched ;)), but great PvP is certainly different.

The same is true for blobbing someone else. Great, you blobbed someone and killed him (yay, success \o/ lol ), but it doesn't give you any thrill at all. That thrill however is important for great PvP (my hearts beating, my hands are shaking! ;)).
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#69 - 2014-01-06 13:24:54 UTC
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Rovinia wrote:
Than show me one. I had fun 1v1 in all of these games, also in Eve. But all of these were very rare. Really balanced were allways only the group fights. And that's a good thing.

Ok, i should have changed "never" to "seldom" Blink


seldom is quite accurate. I've had great 1vs1 in WoW back in those BC days, and I've had great 2vs2 at arenas basically all the time. I've had 1vs1 in eve too, but the majority of fights were battles one side just outnumbered.

NOT that I say that there's anything wrong with it -> I know what I'm doing and I don't feel pitty for losses at all. It's just that such fights aren't exactly great PvP, and this is what this thread is all about I think.

EvE can offer some great PvP, but the majority of fights I've attended were no great fights at all. losing because you got outnumbered isn't great. It's ok as you've commited to those fights too (either because you engaged, or because you were a fool whitch got catched ;)), but great PvP is certainly different.

The same is true for blobbing someone else. Great, you blobbed someone and killed him (yay, success \o/ lol ), but it doesn't give you any thrill at all. That thrill however is important for great PvP (my hearts beating, my hands are shaking! ;)).


Yup thank you

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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#70 - 2014-01-06 13:25:26 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I have tried many games and soon my friend i ll return to lineage 2 who has great PVP.I m jsut waiting to get my solid state since lineage 2 engine is for old pcs.With people thinking like that in here this game soon will die as it already does, only 20k active players which is a very bad number for a 10 year game.That s why CCP employees are staying less and less.Sorry for that.


Firstly, why are you waiting for an ssd to go and play Lineage 2 if Lineage 2 "is for old pcs"? Why not just use your old HD for your "old pcs" game? Your point makes no logical sense.

Secondly, I've read that "EVE is dying" from people like you who don't understand it for years and rather than dying it's slowly but surely increased it's player base over that time. Whenever I log in there are well over 40,000 active players so I've no idea what you're talking about when you say 20k active players. Also, how do you judge the number of players in EVE being "a very bad number for a 10 year game"? If you're comparing it to WOW you're way out. The number of players is less but player retention is a lot better. The number of WOW players is now nearly half what it was at it's maximum where as EVE is currently at about it's maximum showing it's still growing but WOW has been collapsing for some time.

Thirdly, you have no way of knowing why some CCP employees have moved jobs. You're making a stab in the dark which is designed to further your argument. You have no evidence as to why they're moving so your point is invalid. Frankly, if I'd been working somewhere for 7 years I'd want to move on too. It doesn't necessarily say anything about the job.

It's a shame you feel the need to argue for something in a game you don't really play, aren't really into and from what you've said see as merely a transitory passing fancy. Considering you're not prepared to actually try to play EVE it seems a little selfish of you to try to argue for the game to be changed.

Just to finish off, you've gone from saying that you were only getting "10-15%" 1v1 fights to "Still haven t found any 1 vs 1 in my one year" so it looks like we can ignore pretty much anything you say as you're obviously lying to make your points.

Good luck in your Lineage 2 play.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#71 - 2014-01-06 13:29:23 UTC
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Rovinia wrote:
Than show me one. I had fun 1v1 in all of these games, also in Eve. But all of these were very rare. Really balanced were allways only the group fights. And that's a good thing.

Ok, i should have changed "never" to "seldom" Blink


seldom is quite accurate. I've had great 1vs1 in WoW back in those BC days, and I've had great 2vs2 at arenas basically all the time. I've had 1vs1 in eve too, but the majority of fights were battles one side just outnumbered.

NOT that I say that there's anything wrong with it -> I know what I'm doing and I don't feel pitty for losses at all. It's just that such fights aren't exactly great PvP, and this is what this thread is all about I think.

EvE can offer some great PvP, but the majority of fights I've attended were no great fights at all. losing because you got outnumbered isn't great. It's ok as you've commited to those fights too (either because you engaged, or because you were a fool whitch got catched ;)), but great PvP is certainly different.

The same is true for blobbing someone else. Great, you blobbed someone and killed him (yay, success \o/ lol ), but it doesn't give you any thrill at all. That thrill however is important for great PvP (my hearts beating, my hands are shaking! ;)).



PVP on equal numbers and condition is utterly stupid and boring. If you want to do that, go play chess. Eve havs very very little depth within a 1v1 combat (contrary to chess), It was made so that the superio skills of a group manifest in a fleet or in political level, not in a 1v1 ship arena of infinite boredom.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#72 - 2014-01-06 13:32:50 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
I have tried many games and soon my friend i ll return to lineage 2 who has great PVP.I m jsut waiting to get my solid state since lineage 2 engine is for old pcs.With people thinking like that in here this game soon will die as it already does, only 20k active players which is a very bad number for a 10 year game.That s why CCP employees are staying less and less.Sorry for that.


Firstly, why are you waiting for an ssd to go and play Lineage 2 if Lineage 2 "is for old pcs"? Why not just use your old HD for your "old pcs" game? Your point makes no logical sense.

Secondly, I've read that "EVE is dying" from people like you who don't understand it for years and rather than dying it's slowly but surely increased it's player base over that time. Whenever I log in there are well over 40,000 active players so I've no idea what you're talking about when you say 20k active players. Also, how do you judge the number of players in EVE being "a very bad number for a 10 year game"? If you're comparing it to WOW you're way out. The number of players is less but player retention is a lot better. The number of WOW players is now nearly half what it was at it's maximum where as EVE is currently at about it's maximum showing it's still growing but WOW has been collapsing for some time.

Thirdly, you have no way of knowing why some CCP employees have moved jobs. You're making a stab in the dark which is designed to further your argument. You have no evidence as to why they're moving so your point is invalid. Frankly, if I'd been working somewhere for 7 years I'd want to move on too. It doesn't necessarily say anything about the job.

It's a shame you feel the need to argue for something in a game you don't really play, aren't really into and from what you've said see as merely a transitory passing fancy. Considering you're not prepared to actually try to play EVE it seems a little selfish of you to try to argue for the game to be changed.

Just to finish off, you've gone from saying that you were only getting "10-15%" 1v1 fights to "Still haven t found any 1 vs 1 in my one year" so it looks like we can ignore pretty much anything you say as you're obviously lying to make your points.

Good luck in your Lineage 2 play.


Lineage 2 is made for old pcs and writes and read random data in hard disk and it doesn t use ram,processor or graphic card a lot but more uses hard disk. .Solid states have fast write and read and will improve this old lineage setting.Search it in google and see it for yourself why wigh new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps.Anyway since I have played almost all good online games and writing stories for d&d for years and as programmer I said my opinion for improvement and not for arguing.Thank you though for answering.

Feel the wrath of the GECKO!
Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-01-06 13:34:05 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Rovinia wrote:
Than show me one. I had fun 1v1 in all of these games, also in Eve. But all of these were very rare. Really balanced were allways only the group fights. And that's a good thing.

Ok, i should have changed "never" to "seldom" Blink


seldom is quite accurate. I've had great 1vs1 in WoW back in those BC days, and I've had great 2vs2 at arenas basically all the time. I've had 1vs1 in eve too, but the majority of fights were battles one side just outnumbered.

NOT that I say that there's anything wrong with it -> I know what I'm doing and I don't feel pitty for losses at all. It's just that such fights aren't exactly great PvP, and this is what this thread is all about I think.

EvE can offer some great PvP, but the majority of fights I've attended were no great fights at all. losing because you got outnumbered isn't great. It's ok as you've commited to those fights too (either because you engaged, or because you were a fool whitch got catched ;)), but great PvP is certainly different.

The same is true for blobbing someone else. Great, you blobbed someone and killed him (yay, success \o/ lol ), but it doesn't give you any thrill at all. That thrill however is important for great PvP (my hearts beating, my hands are shaking! ;)).



PVP on equal numbers and condition is utterly stupid and boring. If you want to do that, go play chess. Eve havs very very little depth within a 1v1 combat (contrary to chess), It was made so that the superio skills of a group manifest in a fleet or in political level, not in a 1v1 ship arena of infinite boredom.


If you would have cared to read, you would've noticed that this isn't primarily about 1vs1. It's about the fact that outnumbered wins / losses aren't great PvP. Winning or losing because someone just outnumbered someone else isn't great. It's PvP, yes. It happens, yes. It is totally fine, yes. But it's no breathtaking activity ;)
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#74 - 2014-01-06 13:36:05 UTC
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Rovinia wrote:
Than show me one. I had fun 1v1 in all of these games, also in Eve. But all of these were very rare. Really balanced were allways only the group fights. And that's a good thing.

Ok, i should have changed "never" to "seldom" Blink


seldom is quite accurate. I've had great 1vs1 in WoW back in those BC days, and I've had great 2vs2 at arenas basically all the time. I've had 1vs1 in eve too, but the majority of fights were battles one side just outnumbered.

NOT that I say that there's anything wrong with it -> I know what I'm doing and I don't feel pitty for losses at all. It's just that such fights aren't exactly great PvP, and this is what this thread is all about I think.

EvE can offer some great PvP, but the majority of fights I've attended were no great fights at all. losing because you got outnumbered isn't great. It's ok as you've commited to those fights too (either because you engaged, or because you were a fool whitch got catched ;)), but great PvP is certainly different.

The same is true for blobbing someone else. Great, you blobbed someone and killed him (yay, success \o/ lol ), but it doesn't give you any thrill at all. That thrill however is important for great PvP (my hearts beating, my hands are shaking! ;)).



PVP on equal numbers and condition is utterly stupid and boring. If you want to do that, go play chess. Eve havs very very little depth within a 1v1 combat (contrary to chess), It was made so that the superio skills of a group manifest in a fleet or in political level, not in a 1v1 ship arena of infinite boredom.


If you would have cared to read, you would've noticed that this isn't primarily about 1vs1. It's about the fact that outnumbered wins / losses aren't great PvP. Winning or losing because someone just outnumbered someone else isn't great. It's PvP, yes. It happens, yes. It is totally fine, yes. But it's no breathtaking activity ;)


Totally agree and one like from me.

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Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#75 - 2014-01-06 14:47:56 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Lineage 2 is made for old pcs and writes and read random data in hard disk and it doesn t use ram,processor or graphic card a lot but more uses hard disk. .Solid states have fast write and read and will improve this old lineage setting.Search it in google and see it for yourself why wigh new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps.Anyway since I have played almost all good online games and writing stories for d&d for years and as programmer I said my opinion for improvement and not for arguing.Thank you though for answering.


This isn't intended to be an arguement. I just thought I'd best explain why you're wrong so you don't fall into the same trap when discussing Lineage 2 with others.

What you've said regarding Lineage 2 not using RAM, processor or graphics card a lot simply isn't true. In fact, Lineage II uses RAM, processor and the graphics card constantly whilst it's running. It might use the HD (or SSD if you have one) to write/read some of the information it requires it does also use the RAM.

When you say "new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps" I'm not quite sure what you're trying to lay the blame on. If an old PC and a new PC both have HDs and the HD is the bottleneck they should both perform the same. HDs haven't changed much over that timespan. They certainly haven't got slower. Could you explain what you mean by this please?
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#76 - 2014-01-06 15:16:32 UTC
Tchulen wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Lineage 2 is made for old pcs and writes and read random data in hard disk and it doesn t use ram,processor or graphic card a lot but more uses hard disk. .Solid states have fast write and read and will improve this old lineage setting.Search it in google and see it for yourself why wigh new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps.Anyway since I have played almost all good online games and writing stories for d&d for years and as programmer I said my opinion for improvement and not for arguing.Thank you though for answering.


This isn't intended to be an arguement. I just thought I'd best explain why you're wrong so you don't fall into the same trap when discussing Lineage 2 with others.

What you've said regarding Lineage 2 not using RAM, processor or graphics card a lot simply isn't true. In fact, Lineage II uses RAM, processor and the graphics card constantly whilst it's running. It might use the HD (or SSD if you have one) to write/read some of the information it requires it does also use the RAM.

When you say "new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps" I'm not quite sure what you're trying to lay the blame on. If an old PC and a new PC both have HDs and the HD is the bottleneck they should both perform the same. HDs haven't changed much over that timespan. They certainly haven't got slower. Could you explain what you mean by this please?


Older graphic cards use differently the write and their dram than new graphic cards and since lineage 2 uses unreal engine 2 it doesn t cooperate well with new graphic cards.

Since I can t link you the lineage forum google high end pcs lag lineage 2 or something like that and you ll see that pcs with solid states how they run it.


Feel the wrath of the GECKO!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2014-01-06 15:43:41 UTC
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Gimme more Cynos wrote:
Rovinia wrote:
Than show me one. I had fun 1v1 in all of these games, also in Eve. But all of these were very rare. Really balanced were allways only the group fights. And that's a good thing.

Ok, i should have changed "never" to "seldom" Blink


seldom is quite accurate. I've had great 1vs1 in WoW back in those BC days, and I've had great 2vs2 at arenas basically all the time. I've had 1vs1 in eve too, but the majority of fights were battles one side just outnumbered.

NOT that I say that there's anything wrong with it -> I know what I'm doing and I don't feel pitty for losses at all. It's just that such fights aren't exactly great PvP, and this is what this thread is all about I think.

EvE can offer some great PvP, but the majority of fights I've attended were no great fights at all. losing because you got outnumbered isn't great. It's ok as you've commited to those fights too (either because you engaged, or because you were a fool whitch got catched ;)), but great PvP is certainly different.

The same is true for blobbing someone else. Great, you blobbed someone and killed him (yay, success \o/ lol ), but it doesn't give you any thrill at all. That thrill however is important for great PvP (my hearts beating, my hands are shaking! ;)).



PVP on equal numbers and condition is utterly stupid and boring. If you want to do that, go play chess. Eve havs very very little depth within a 1v1 combat (contrary to chess), It was made so that the superio skills of a group manifest in a fleet or in political level, not in a 1v1 ship arena of infinite boredom.


If you would have cared to read, you would've noticed that this isn't primarily about 1vs1. It's about the fact that outnumbered wins / losses aren't great PvP. Winning or losing because someone just outnumbered someone else isn't great. It's PvP, yes. It happens, yes. It is totally fine, yes. But it's no breathtaking activity ;)



But winning when you are outnumbered is the apex of PVP in eve!!!!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2014-01-06 15:45:12 UTC
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Lineage 2 is made for old pcs and writes and read random data in hard disk and it doesn t use ram,processor or graphic card a lot but more uses hard disk. .Solid states have fast write and read and will improve this old lineage setting.Search it in google and see it for yourself why wigh new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps.Anyway since I have played almost all good online games and writing stories for d&d for years and as programmer I said my opinion for improvement and not for arguing.Thank you though for answering.


This isn't intended to be an arguement. I just thought I'd best explain why you're wrong so you don't fall into the same trap when discussing Lineage 2 with others.

What you've said regarding Lineage 2 not using RAM, processor or graphics card a lot simply isn't true. In fact, Lineage II uses RAM, processor and the graphics card constantly whilst it's running. It might use the HD (or SSD if you have one) to write/read some of the information it requires it does also use the RAM.

When you say "new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps" I'm not quite sure what you're trying to lay the blame on. If an old PC and a new PC both have HDs and the HD is the bottleneck they should both perform the same. HDs haven't changed much over that timespan. They certainly haven't got slower. Could you explain what you mean by this please?


Older graphic cards use differently the write and their dram than new graphic cards and since lineage 2 uses unreal engine 2 it doesn t cooperate well with new graphic cards.

Since I can t link you the lineage forum google high end pcs lag lineage 2 or something like that and you ll see that pcs with solid states how they run it.





That is competely wrong. The raster mechanics of current graphic cards can handle exaclty same way as older card from when that engine was created. The vertex and fragment pipelines can be configured to have the very hexact T&L of old times, in fact if you give no instructions on the contrary that is the default behavior on both OpenGL and Direct X

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-01-06 15:52:16 UTC
Agreed. PVP is eve is poor but until a better game comes out, it's all we have.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Egravant Alduin
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#80 - 2014-01-06 15:54:56 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Tchulen wrote:
Egravant Alduin wrote:
Lineage 2 is made for old pcs and writes and read random data in hard disk and it doesn t use ram,processor or graphic card a lot but more uses hard disk. .Solid states have fast write and read and will improve this old lineage setting.Search it in google and see it for yourself why wigh new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps.Anyway since I have played almost all good online games and writing stories for d&d for years and as programmer I said my opinion for improvement and not for arguing.Thank you though for answering.


This isn't intended to be an arguement. I just thought I'd best explain why you're wrong so you don't fall into the same trap when discussing Lineage 2 with others.

What you've said regarding Lineage 2 not using RAM, processor or graphics card a lot simply isn't true. In fact, Lineage II uses RAM, processor and the graphics card constantly whilst it's running. It might use the HD (or SSD if you have one) to write/read some of the information it requires it does also use the RAM.

When you say "new pcs you get only 15 fps and in older pcs you get more than 40 fps" I'm not quite sure what you're trying to lay the blame on. If an old PC and a new PC both have HDs and the HD is the bottleneck they should both perform the same. HDs haven't changed much over that timespan. They certainly haven't got slower. Could you explain what you mean by this please?


Older graphic cards use differently the write and their dram than new graphic cards and since lineage 2 uses unreal engine 2 it doesn t cooperate well with new graphic cards.

Since I can t link you the lineage forum google high end pcs lag lineage 2 or something like that and you ll see that pcs with solid states how they run it.





That is competely wrong. The raster mechanics of current graphic cards can handle exaclty same way as older card from when that engine was created. The vertex and fragment pipelines can be configured to have the very hexact T&L of old times, in fact if you give no instructions on the contrary that is the default behavior on both OpenGL and Direct X


As I told we were talking for lineage 2 old unreal 2 engine.It runs better in older pcs than in new high end pcs.Search it on google to see it for yourself.INew pcs just need an ssd so they don t lag.Also this has to do with windows .Older windows play older games newer windows can t play older games cause of compatibility.We are out of subject though.

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