EVE General Discussion

TL;DR - include ganking in the NPE, because Eve has an over abundance of mean people who will gleefully blow you up for no reason and laugh at you for not understanding why and how it happened (HAPPY NOW, RIOT GIRL?).

CCP has buffed Exhumer EHP. That pilots CHOOSE not to mine in defended space (defined as an area wherein there are buffer systems and intel channels, i.e., Player-Controlled null space) in tanked ships is their concern. They have the option to alter the fit of their ship, or ship type, to make themselves better able to survive a gank attempt, while still being able to do the task they want to perform.

However, you have to see what is happening here. One player is engaging in a PVE activity, who is then set upon by another player whose intent is their destruction. Why? Not for any reward (this is not a typical freighter gank, but a miner gank), unless the miner has made a legitimate target of himself by fitting shiny stuff, in which case, this becomes an action based upon economics.

This is simple 'killboard-padding.' If it's one Covetor destroyed by a Catalyst, or several that were tightly grouped, and destroyed by one or more smartbombing ships, the lack of economic gain by the attacker shows that there is more going on here than in typical nullsec PVP, or consensual hisec PVP. (I didn't include lowsec PVP, as there are too many variables.)

If we look at Gevlon Goblin, his ganks were based upon two things: (1) demonstrating that's 'killboard efficiency' is a joke, and (2) that if you select the proper ship, and fit it for survivability, miner ganking goes down dramatically.

Also, we have the first 'Hulkageddon' (that wasn't the name, but most people understand that term) by the Goons. I'm not certain what the goal was, but I've heard that it was originally based upon complaints by Goonswarm industrialists stating that they weren't selling enough Hulks. The subsequent 'Ice Interdictions' were also economically-based. Goons controlled the nullsec Gallente ice, so they put into effect a policy to raise its price that also entertained some of their pilots. (There, you see? I CAN say nice things about Goons - some of their actions are rational.)

Again, we have readily defined and understandable goals for these actions.

What is the goal, then, of a typical miner gank, though?

With no strategic or economic benefit from this action, the only justification for it is psychological, meaning that it is simply the satisfaction derived by one person resulting from the destruction of another person or their assets. Pleasure resulting from destruction for no gain is not an inherent trait in most people. It's the behavior of a bully.

Most rational, sane, and civilized people refer to that as the behavior of a 'sociopath', and treat it as such.

This is why you have so many people coming to the forums and complaining about ganking - they inherently don't understand why it happened, and expect civilized society to intervene to prevent it from occurring.

Only through education in proper techniques (ship fitting, watching local, watch listing people, location selection, etc.) are they able to cope with the environment and attitude that exists within Eve (and is absolutely pervasive within these forums, just witness the reactions to any post about giving freighter pilots fitting options) regarding safety and law enforcement.

Personally, I think that this needs to be part of the NPE, and should be graphically demonstrated, using NPC-provided ships with NPC gankers, during the trial period. Send the player to a mining agent, have them fly an untanked ship fit for max mining output, and gank them. Then, send them out in a tanked ship that can mine effectively, and attempt to kill them again, so they can see how their choice affects their survivability, in a manner almost impossible to misunderstand.

Will this make ganker's lives a bit tougher? Sure, but their tears are the sweetest of all, so who cares if they're unhappy? Will this show non-miner pilots the fundamentals of proper tanking? Absolutely, which is also a good thing.

Will it result in less rage-quitting during the trial period, and thus have a positive effect upon the player base and CCP's bottom line? Without a doubt.

Think about it, CCP.

Way to read the headline and get it wrong!

Or, are you one of those gankers I stated have the sweetest tears?

This one and another by the same OP. Because nothing gets your point across like multiple, repetitive threads about the same crap.

You missed a vital point. EVE is a game. Its not about "strategic" unless you choose it to be. Gankers choose it not to be.

Ramona, can anyone dispute that Eve lacks sociopathic behavior, even by those who otherwise are not sociopaths?

Hell, I'm guilty of it myself, almost all of us are. I'll bet you are, too. Does that make us bad people in real life? Absolutely not.

Does that negatively influence subscriber retention? Again, undoubtedly.

Can you really argue against giving new players a definitive taste of what awaits them in the 'real' Eve?

It's just fun and the game allows it!! Just because I like playing battlefield and killing people with knives and blowing things up with c4 doesn't mean I'm going to a shopping centre to kill loads of random people. Let's not try to say someones in game attitude mirrors real life. We play games to do things we can't in real life.

It's a part of the game and ganking requires set up and organisation - knowledge of the game as such, just as not getting ganked does.

If you ask me this uncertainty and general feeling of being on the edge is what makes the game. I hear you that CCP could prepare people better but that goes for how to gank as well right?! :)

I'm no big time ganker but have done it recently and it was fun hahaha sorry but it was and isn't that what games are about!?

You are imagining yourself, its called projection. You are the type of person who would do that. I argue with facts, not emotions. I see you are still raging after making a complete idiot of yourself in another thread. ******* classic

Methinks thou protests overmuch.

My other post was regarding economics, and the 'PVP über alles!' attitude many players have, looking down upon PVE'rs as nothing more than sheep-like victims.

This one is regarding a proposed change to the NPE, and the justifications and reasoning behind it.

But, feel free to post & rage. It's your forums, too.

yet another stupid person who doesn't understand what a sociopath is or does.

Proposed changes should find themselves at home in the Features and Ideas Discussion forum but go on, post away with changes that make YOU happy.