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Returning from a long break,,,,, question about griefers
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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#61 - 2014-01-06 14:17:28 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
embrel wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
[quote=Lucas Kell]
Carebears are a subset of EVE's population contributes little to nothing to the community or the content of the game, and does not deserve the special, protected status that the developers have given them.


well, they give CCP cashflow.
as it seems (by reading the bragging on the forums) everyone else is plexing their accounts.
and now you might begin to understand why they do have a protected status, coz they're the customers and you're the leeches.

Yeah I bet CCP are really kicking themselves for providing a means to maintain a subscription without providing any income for them whatsoever.
Or maybe they're smarter than you give them credit for and it's actually you who misunderstands how PLEX works.
Irony.

You realise plex subscriptions still produce income for CCP right? People would not buy plex and sell them on the market if there was no demand from them.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#62 - 2014-01-06 14:21:33 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.


Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9


Is this normal now?


Yes. I'm an old-timer, from 2005. EvE certainly has changed a lot, there's a lot more douchebaggery but then again it's easier than ever to make iskies too. The "douchebags" can be rather entertaining and amusing, it's all good player-driven content creation. But gone are the days when you can just sit in a high sec belt and mine for hours and hours with your only fear being falling asleep and missing a bunch of cycles.

It's up to you how you want to deal with this situation, but deal with it you will have to. Personally I prefer mining in nullsec that way I can swap to a PvP ship and kill them without all these high sec rules and regulations getting in the way.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2014-01-06 14:27:25 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
The only griefers I know sit in starter corps and tell you to play isolated. To mine or run missions.



that 1 trillion times! That is the greater offense or attack someone can commit upon a new player. Shoudl be bannable even.

Many say this, yet nobody is willing to help and put effort into balancing this and I can't do it alone, because there are too many of them.



Problem is, those are in NPC corps, othwerwise they would be perma deced.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2014-01-06 14:29:20 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
embrel wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
[quote=Lucas Kell]
Carebears are a subset of EVE's population contributes little to nothing to the community or the content of the game, and does not deserve the special, protected status that the developers have given them.

well, they give CCP cashflow.
as it seems (by reading the bragging on the forums) everyone else is plexing their accounts.
and now you might begin to understand why they do have a protected status, coz they're the customers and you're the leeches.

Yeah I bet CCP are really kicking themselves for providing a means to maintain a subscription without providing any income for them whatsoever.
Or maybe they're smarter than you give them credit for and it's actually you who misunderstands how PLEX works.
Irony.

You realise plex subscriptions still produce income for CCP right? People would not buy plex and sell them on the market if there was no demand from them.

that reminds of of a special contributor to the community

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2014-01-06 14:29:52 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
embrel wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
[quote=Lucas Kell]
Carebears are a subset of EVE's population contributes little to nothing to the community or the content of the game, and does not deserve the special, protected status that the developers have given them.


well, they give CCP cashflow.
as it seems (by reading the bragging on the forums) everyone else is plexing their accounts.
and now you might begin to understand why they do have a protected status, coz they're the customers and you're the leeches.

Yeah I bet CCP are really kicking themselves for providing a means to maintain a subscription without providing any income for them whatsoever.
Or maybe they're smarter than you give them credit for and it's actually you who misunderstands how PLEX works.
Irony.

You realise plex subscriptions still produce income for CCP right? People would not buy plex and sell them on the market if there was no demand from them.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#66 - 2014-01-06 14:36:25 UTC
This being general discussion, I'm ~sure~ everyone knows how CCP gets their money from monthly subscriptions and the sale of PLEX.

Also isk "faucets"

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Decaneos
Casalt Corp
CAStabouts
#67 - 2014-01-06 14:40:37 UTC
Am i the only one who when i mine simply sets keep at range on a rock so the bumpers cant know me out of range?
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-01-06 14:42:30 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:


It is completely within the EULA/TOS. I don't care how wrong you think I am, but I am right. I have had many harassment/griefer petitions filed against me but because I was enforcing the code and not doing it without a purpose they were all unfounded. I would go into it further but that would mean discussing GM stuff on the forums, which is against the EULA/TOS, unlike enforcing the CODE.

See the above referred to GM posts on the topic.

The petitions you are talking about will have been miners whining because you bumped them for 5 minutes, then they warped to the other end of the ice field and you followed them, not stalking them for hours across new eden.
Which as I've already said about the former, doesn't count.
However the later does. Reason or not, you can't continually stalk someone like that just to bump them.


Gee, can you please tell me how you know what petitions I'm talking about when I didn't provide links or give out specific details about them?

You know what assuming does . . .


I wonder how you know what was in those petitions, considering a petition is private between the petitioner and CCP. You don't get a notification when a petition is filed against you, and GMs aren't going to ask you if you were harassing So-and-so. Furthermore, having a reason to harass someone is moot, since every harasser has a reason in that they're intention is to harass the person. Also, we all know that the reason you harass people in game isn't the "code," but rather because in real life you're a cuckold. Wearing horns for so long has made you think you're a devil.
Lady Areola Fappington
#69 - 2014-01-06 14:48:49 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You realise it doesn't have to be affecting my real life for me to think someone is a moron right? The majority of the new order guys I've spoken to are not very bright. That is no surprise, since it's effectively a cult and cults aren't really known for attracting the brightest sparks.



So, the answer to "Do you have some kind of RL/game disconnect issue" is a resounding "YES!".

Seriously man, judgement of intelligence in a video game, cult status...wowzers. It's a game. For real. We don't like, worship James 315.


Just in case you missed the whole creation of The New Order....When James first started up with the whole serious bumping thing, he sent in a petition asking about it's legality under EULA. He was told that in order to be a valid gameplay mechanic, there had to be a reason for doing it. Intro, The New Order.


It's fun to know that our antics have people actually thinking we are a real cult in the real world though. If you really think it's true, see a psychologist. You have some reality/fantasy issues that need worked on.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#70 - 2014-01-06 14:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Decaneos wrote:
Am i the only one who when i mine simply sets keep at range on a rock so the bumpers cant know me out of range?

Those are love bumps, wait till they hit you with a 100MN Stabber Fleet Issue (FSI). 50-60Km, on an exhumer, per bump if they get a good hit in.

An orbiting afterburner skiff is quite difficult to bump, needs a really good pilot or sheer luck to get a good hit. Getting ganked in one is also unlikely, it's generally too much effort and cost to carry it off.

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-01-06 14:51:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
What I also don't get is why a player calls others griefers, although it's himself talking **** and insulting them for playing the game in ways that go beyond the typical, moronic lemming style of playing.

Of course there are always people who will enjoy picking on weak ones and of course some of them have questionable characters... but from how people talk about them, they are exactly on the same page and in no way better.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#72 - 2014-01-06 14:51:59 UTC
Player created corps: Check

Player created Banks: Check

Player created organised crime: Check

Player created nations: Check

Player created Universities: Check

Player created cults/religion: ZOMGNOWAIWHATAREYOUANOOBLOLDDUUHH!!!!1111!

Hmm

I sense a gap in the market

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Lady Areola Fappington
#73 - 2014-01-06 15:00:35 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Player created corps: Check

Player created Banks: Check

Player created organised crime: Check

Player created nations: Check

Player created Universities: Check

Player created cults/religion: ZOMGNOWAIWHATAREYOUANOOBLOLDDUUHH!!!!1111!

Hmm

I sense a gap in the market



Player Created Cult Deprogrammers?

Maybe Player Created Anonymous, to sit outside station docks and protest us.

Hell, maybe we can have a Protestant Code Reformation. Ganking through faith alone. The reformer can virtually nail his 95 Bumping Theses to the station door.

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-01-06 15:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
The only griefers I know sit in starter corps and tell you to play isolated. To mine or run missions.



that 1 trillion times! That is the greater offense or attack someone can commit upon a new player. Shoudl be bannable even.

Many say this, yet nobody is willing to help and put effort into balancing this and I can't do it alone, because there are too many of them.



Problem is, those are in NPC corps, othwerwise they would be perma deced.

And this is also something I get as response a lot, meaning that ...

YOU DON'T ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE!

The only way to balance it is having alts in starter corps balancing out all the carebearing vets who ruin the game for the new players! Why are people so completely blind to this? It's beyond me!

They are influencing new players right from the start. It's not far from forming and teaching the personalities of kids.

Does anybody actually understand the issue or is all you can do complain? I am complaining too, but I have tried doing something! All I get as responses when I'm asking for help are the same bullshit, predictable responses, instead of

"Yeah you're right! Instead of complaining, I'll join you in a starter corp and we'll start changing the future of the game together!"

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2014-01-06 15:09:01 UTC
I have to correct myself.

The issue aren't carebears in starter corps, the issue are you people who complain about them.

There is no good, unless it is being done.

The reason for the situation we have is because you don't do it. You just whine. Disgusting!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#76 - 2014-01-06 15:24:00 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.


Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9


Is this normal now?


Right click on asteroid you are not mining then left click "approach"
Continue to mine
Ignore New Order rhetoric
Enjoy problem solved
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#77 - 2014-01-06 16:32:06 UTC
Bumping/permit extortion is hard to categorize. It's sort of like PvP, but it's not really combat. It's sort of like scamming, but it's not really profitable like scamming. And it's sort of like giving the dorky kid at school a wedgie, but not exactly the same as that either.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#78 - 2014-01-06 16:36:17 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I have to correct myself.

The issue aren't carebears in starter corps, the issue are you people who complain about them.

There is no good, unless it is being done.

The reason for the situation we have is because you don't do it. You just whine. Disgusting!


Too much work. I actually tried that once. I applaud your efforts but I have better things to do with my limited logged-in time than argue with idiots in starter corp chat. Voices of reason tend to get shouted down anyway, and most of the newbs think that the loudest voices are probably right. Until we can wardec them or new players somehow get booted out after a period of time, there isn't a realistic solution to this problem.

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RAIN Arthie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2014-01-06 16:40:46 UTC
Rick II Egnald wrote:
I just started playing again after a 5 year break,,, I finally got myself up to a hulk to mine, and I only mine in .9 for now until I can train drones up enough to get some hobs for protection.


Anyways, I encountered this for the first time today....... some doorknob evidently finds great delight in ramming mining ships to keep knocking you out of mining distance...... this guy followed me around for an hour doing this and demandng a 10,000,000 ransom to stop.... you can't attack them in .9


Is this normal now?


Go to null. Sissies don't go there, they'd get shot.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2014-01-06 16:44:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
I have to correct myself.

The issue aren't carebears in starter corps, the issue are you people who complain about them.

There is no good, unless it is being done.

The reason for the situation we have is because you don't do it. You just whine. Disgusting!


Too much work. I actually tried that once. I applaud your efforts but I have better things to do with my limited logged-in time than argue with idiots in starter corp chat. Voices of reason tend to get shouted down anyway, and most of the newbs think that the loudest voices are probably right. Until we can wardec them or new players somehow get booted out after a period of time, there isn't a realistic solution to this problem.
Yes. So you accept your defeat. That they are better than you. That they actually beat you on the game in the long run, because they form the game there where it counts.

The realistic solution to the problem is doing what they do. You don't deem it "realistic" though, because it involves actual effort. Because you have to DO something, instead of just whining and complaining about an issue YOU COULD VERY WELL RESOLVE YOURSELF AND/OR WITH HELP OF LIKE MINDED PEOPLE!


You should be ashamed of yourself! You are the reason the things you complain about exist in the first place!

You are no better than all those idiots who create stupid threads about things they don't like.
They, too, believe it's not worth the effort adapting or doing something and instead they just whine and complain.


They just whine. And complain.


You are exactly the same!


Congratulations!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE