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CCP - Falcons - Still massively overpowered!
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Hauling Hal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-11-23 19:04:17 UTC
Sobic wrote:
On a serious note: If you could assign drone targets even when jammed. It would balance out ECM even further.


If only they'd add something like an Aggressive setting to drones, so they attack anything attacking you....
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-11-23 19:08:25 UTC
Apollo Gabriel wrote:
I often fit ECCM, not sure why you think people do not. Now I have problems with ECCM, as there aren't ANTI Neut Mods, ANTI TP mods, ANTI web mods, etc. There are cap boosters, abs and mwds that all have a purpose other than ANTI ECM.


Real life ECM of the jamming variety actually works a lot more like Eve's sensor dampeners. So if you wanted to emulate that aspect then combining the ECCM and sensor booster modules would make sense.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#23 - 2011-11-23 19:11:26 UTC
Percival Gates wrote:
Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?!




Only ONE person would DARE use raspberry!

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cBOLTSON
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2011-11-23 19:14:10 UTC
They most certianly are not overpowered.
Falcons are paper thin, not very agile and are slow as f**k. They also do very little dps.
If anything they need a boost.

The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2011-11-23 19:35:09 UTC
Hauling Hal wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?

All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!

I mean the accuracy falloff is 49 km, so being 80+km away is near the top end of that, how the hell can you still be perma jamming?
The decrease in falloff range is obviously not working!
Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf!


Not only do you not have a clue about ECM, you also appear to lack any knowledge of gunnery combat and falloff.


Happy for you to explain rather than troll
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#26 - 2011-11-23 19:35:58 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
cBOLTSON wrote:
They most certianly are not overpowered.
Falcons are paper thin, not very agile and are slow as f**k. They also do very little dps.
If anything they need a boost.



not much you can do when they are 80km away from you eh! and your perma jammed! dear oh dear - oh yeah your from brick...its ok i understand,

ps I love trolls..., they just post angry posts and offer absolutley no reasoning.. empty heads make most sound perhaps
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#27 - 2011-11-23 19:37:11 UTC
ECM should be boosted so that they can have tank. (even a little) If they combined ECCM with the sensor booster, they should make it so that they do not need racial jammers.

After all, you do not need a racial turret destabilizer, or a racial neut or a racial web...

ECM is so very RACIST!

/half hearted troll
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#28 - 2011-11-23 19:37:51 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Hauling Hal wrote:
Sobic wrote:
On a serious note: If you could assign drone targets even when jammed. It would balance out ECM even further.


If only they'd add something like an Aggressive setting to drones, so they attack anything attacking you....


again not much good at 80km seeing drones cant aggress from that far, i guess ppl keep missing that point, the 80+ km distance bit
Amro One
One.
#29 - 2011-11-23 19:39:55 UTC
Man do you have **** skills.

My falcon perma jams at 120kms with no rigs.

Can i have your stuff.
WhyTry1
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2011-11-23 19:40:53 UTC  |  Edited by: WhyTry1
Amro One wrote:
Man do you have **** skills.

My falcon perma jams at 120kms with no rigs.

Can i have your stuff.


lol...touche, you dont need my stuff, your stuff is obviously better than mine Cry
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2011-11-23 19:57:20 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Percival Gates wrote:
Sounds like somebody got jammed. Forum sperg of this magnitude can only be explained by...ohhhh. They used the raspberry, didn't they?!?!




Only ONE person would DARE use raspberry!



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*Helmet slams shut*

No seriously. They are severely overpowered. In the form of Blackbirds and Falcons though.

The Scorpion does need a buff however. Not an ECM buff but it needs more EHP.

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#32 - 2011-11-23 20:09:46 UTC
Has CCP fixed everything on the list now that we're back to pissing, moaning and whining...


... wait for it....


...


BECAUSE OF FALCON?!?!


(2 easy counters: sensor damps, sentry drones)

Now run along

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Lord Ryan
True Xero
#33 - 2011-11-23 20:20:09 UTC
Nerf Hookbill!

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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#34 - 2011-11-23 20:32:19 UTC
My poor litte Falcon, always primaried and with lousy DPS with 425mm ACs since I have no hyrbid skills.

Life is hard sometimes ........ Sad
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2011-11-23 20:32:33 UTC
a 200,000 isk rifter can keep a 2bn ISK vindicator tackled, tell me more about cost being a balancing factor

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2011-11-23 20:38:07 UTC
Now that I think about it, I have not seen a single falcon for months...
Tover Chris
Suicide Kings
#37 - 2011-11-23 20:41:54 UTC
Jennifer Starling wrote:
My poor litte Falcon, always primaried and with lousy DPS with 425mm ACs since I have no hyrbid skills.

Life is hard sometimes ........ Sad

Even with hybrid skills you still fit ACs.. need the cap for jammers.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-11-23 20:42:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Now that I think about it, I have not seen a single falcon for months...


you never see them UNTIL IT'S TOO LATE

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#39 - 2011-11-23 20:44:21 UTC
falcons are very overpowered, one time i was moving around cloud ring in my underpowered nullified cloaky T3, being the only soul in local and i was cut off midwarp BY A FALCON THAT JAMMED ME and started shooting me with its 75mm rails

since then i have had nothing but contempt for falcons

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PhoenixShadow
Dutch Legions
Solyaris Chtonium
#40 - 2011-11-23 20:48:00 UTC
Alpheias wrote:
WhyTry1 wrote:
Why did these every bother getting nerfed when there are rigs that counter it?

All you need is a T2 Dispersion Projector Rig and you can perma jam - yes perma jam from 80Km at least! and thats with only 1 named ECM, not even a T2 one!

Seriously! If you are gonna nerf it then do it properly!! Its a joke a ship can just perma jam you anyway!! wtf!


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