EVE General Discussion

…but their being deployed and doing more damage (at a higher rate than they're being destroyed) does, which he also said.

180% more PvP damage being dealt; 160% more Marauders being destroyed. Whether the latter includes PvE losses is left unclear so the margin of improvement could be a whole lot bigger; if it include even more ganks where there was no real outgoing damage, the margin grows further still.

If Dinny's presumption that they're only ever really used for Incursions is correct (it isn't, by virtue of being a Dinny presumption), that 60% increase in PvE usage also tells us something… of course, since the presumption is wrong, it's probably mainly missions, but since usage is up across the board, it'll include Incursions.

Either way, none of Dinsdale's claim seem to match the statistics.

Yea, none of this is happening. Incursion MOMs are still getting popped early, and you can't have people "running longer" than the current 23.5/7 they are right now. What is happening is that incursion communities that once only did HQs and opening secondary VG fleets rather than run HG fleet wait lists.

Here's the point. If I have to choose between an actual CCP developer who has access to information no one here has or a guy who has proven tho be the single wackiest/delusional conspiracy theorist who just always needs something to dislike (and who actually thought the warp speed changes were gonna have an effect on incursion isk/hr.....and who has yet to admit that he was wrong about that too), well, Fozzie wins.

To recap: Dinsdale (a pve only player) thought the Marauder changes (with pvp in mind, in a pvp game) were bad and would have MULTIPLE bad effects which would be further proof of CCP wanting to screw high sec. There is zero evidence that any such bad outcome has occurred, the Op himself has been spotted (by me) flying a ship of that class he said would be 'dead' ,undocking and (minutes later) redocking over and over again in a system that ONLY has 1 station (and it's Sister's of EVE).

Instead of the bad outcome he predicted, according to Fozzie, multiple GOOD outcomes have ensued. Even in incursions more sites have been completed, which doesn't mean anything for marauders but DOES mean that Dinsdale's prediction of the destruction of the Armor Community was again also incorrect.

You can doubt what Fozzie is saying Dave, just understand that doing so is putting you right square into the Dinsdale crazy camp.

No, it was inevitable that more people would try maurders because they were new and different. They would not still be using them if they weren't better at the job than other ships. CCP breathed new life into a ship class that until now was second fiddle to pirate BSs.

The pve community (of which I'm a part) is even more "min/max' concious than pvp'rs are. mission and incursion runners don't fly ANYTHING for longer than they need to find out if it sucks or not, isk/hr efficency is everything. You can look at the buy/sell histories of maruders (and compare them to pirate ships) to be able to tell that marauders are more popular now than even when they were introduced.

If they sucked, there'd be plenty of evidence of the fact. But what has actually happened is that most pirate battleships have dropped some in price while maruader prices and volumes have increase. You can see this on Eve-central.

Are you able to determine how many marauders are flying in PvP fleets vs just doing anoms/PvE and getting attacked? Or do those stats all mesh together?

Here's a question for those of you flying Marauders... How are you finding the new warp speed mechanics? The reason I ask is that the new Marauders seem tailored to L4s and incursions. Is the slower speed having much of an impact on gameplay?

Gotta say they are alot harder to kill...

Caught one the other day just before DT.. managed to MJD twice and then warp.. but still managed to catch it again we had to drop a super on it to kill it with 40secs left to server downtime..

I don't know why you'd think this, as Sister's LP has always been crazy valuable because of exploration hardwarings, virtue implants, sister's probes and probe launchers.

CCP adding new stuff to the LP store (ships and those ships bpcs) just made all those items MORE valuable. And since the new ships get blown up , the scan probe launchers die when ships get blown up and the probes get used up as well as more and more people taking up exploration or going to wormholes, the demand for those items aren't going down anytime soon.

7 years I've been running SOE missions, when is this magical normalization going to happen?

Run for CSM then, if they're the minority then you should easily be able to get more votes than them.

I opened evemon to check since it's downtime. The number I got was 6.6 AU/s.
I guess that's a pretty good indication I need to reinstall since apparently a Malediction warps at 24 AU/s.

Auto recall is great it means fewer lost probes. It doesn't mean jack if the ship carrying the probes gets blown up, which they do, all the time. And the tech 2 alternative to scan scan probe launcher? you mean that thing that requires more skills than the sisters launcher for not much gain which is why the price of sisters proble launchers have remained mostly stable even after their introduction? Next thing you'll be saying is that tech2 omnidirectional links totally killed the faction version....that is still selling very well....

This demonstrates your lack of understanding of how the game works and why your economic theories don't work.



And then you further demonstrate it lol. Guys in wormholes or explorers in K space LOVE to have to drop mobile depots in every system to refit their mids to things that are actually useful after scanning.

You know there is EVE-Central and the tabs in-game in the market UI that show you info on items, and you can use this information to gain an understanding of how things work right?

Every new item does that. The SOE ships have done that. And this means nothing, the SOE ships and other sisters items will ALWAYS provide high sec mission runners with superior isk per LP because they are pirate faction items available from a high sec source. This is why for at least the last 7 years (don't know about before that since that's when I started playing) none of the items I've mentioned have dipped below 1800 isk per LP no matter how many folks are running them.



Then time to bookmark this reply. in 6 months time when i show it to you again along with a link to dotlan map locations to the high sec systems with sisters lvl4 agents, will you be willing to understand then?


The main point here is it's silly as hell to blame SOE for the serious uptick in Marauder PVE usage. A simple review of common mission running systems via dotlan maps will show that those systems haven't seen any dips in activity even after the announcement of the Sister's ships.

As much as some of you want to deny it or rationalize it away, CCP's Marauder changes were good for the ship class and for the game with very little if any negative reaction.