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Mister Simms
Society for Miner Education
#41 - 2014-01-02 23:14:33 UTC
Silpheran wrote:
So far two posts that missed the point. I want an opportunity to hunt suicide gankers and their benefactors. I am bored with mining anyway and am glad that some risk has been added to hisec mining. I just believe that characters used to suicide gank are not equal targets. They are the henchmen of an alternate character that have no risk to themselves. Lets have risk for all involved, with no character spared.


I actually have a certain amount of sympathy for this position. ie, you know who the hauler is for the ganking crew but you have no recourse to fit back against that toon.

Consider this.....

- have a cloaky PvP ship watch your mining operation. They may not be able to stop the gank, but they will be able to kill the hauler/looter when they loot the mining barge wreck. I've also seen a cloaky ECM ship stop by the gank by decloaking and jamming the gankers. This stops the dps until Concord shows up to get rid of them.

- you could also try ECM drones to see if they can jam effectively enough to stop the gank. I've not seen this work, but then I've never seen it tried either.

- consider that you are facing a crew of 2-4 players. Time to get some friends. EVE is a game designed for interaction with other players after all.

- tank your mining ship. It is actually a pleasant surprise when I fail on the gank because I run into a creatively tanked ship that I wasn't expecting.

- Mine in .9 or 1.0 sec space. Concord simply responds way too fast there for ganks to be reasonable.

In a way, the mechanic gives the miner a huge advantage. You have an ally that infinite power, both in dps and in ECM. Your ally is also the MOST dependable ally available. They will always show up and you know exactly when. You couldn't ask for a better wingman. Your only job is to keep the gankers occupied until your ally shows up and kills them. That is actually a pretty easy do do with all of the tools that CCP has given you to work with.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-01-03 15:23:33 UTC
Julius Maagnus wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[quote=Silpheran]
I gank with my main, you can come after me anytime.


If anyone came after you, you would die. You are like 60% of the other career suicide gankers. The only reason you gank is because you are absolutely fail at everything else that you do. The only reason you gank is because it makes you feel good, and its about all you can do. Have fun with your uber awesome eve successes.....

And yet nobody comes after suicide gankers is my experience. Threats, sure, but actually going after them, that's really really rare and I haven't experienced it myself at all yet.

But you're right, I'm pretty much fail at serious pvp so I go after the easiest targets, which are shitfitted mining ships, they are so **** fitted they can't survive the 20-25 seconds against a single catalyst that it takes for CONCORD to arrive. They really are the lowest of the low...
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#43 - 2014-01-03 16:17:15 UTC
Julius Maagnus wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[quote=Silpheran]
I gank with my main, you can come after me anytime.


If anyone came after you, you would die. You are like 60% of the other career suicide gankers. The only reason you gank is because you are absolutely fail at everything else that you do. The only reason you gank is because it makes you feel good, and its about all you can do. Have fun with your uber awesome eve successes.....


Look guys, we have a spacepsychologist here.

It's too bad that "Broad assumptions and sweeping generalizations" is a rank 1 skill, but at least it makes for plenty of chuckles.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-01-03 16:29:37 UTC
I know asking some to do simple things like not to go AFK is crushing to their style of gameplay and completely unfair.

I'm sorry in advance that you didn't notice me warping in the first time with my scanning ship to confirm you didn't fit any tank.

I'm sorry you didn't notice me when I came back in a thrasher as I target you and destroy your ship.

I'm even more sorry that since you were AFK didn't warp your pod out so I destroyed it along with your implants.


I'm so sorry and I hope you can forgive me. I only do it to make myself feel better because I fail at everything else Cry
Poison Dagger
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-01-03 17:08:39 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
OP mentioned going after the gankers benefactors.. I've been a deep cover spy in the New Order for 9 months, you know learning their schedules and such. Just recently I've found their secret donor list. These guys give the order billions in isk to purchase gank catalysts. Its really sickening. If you interrupt the flow of isk, the ganking will stop, or at least decline greatly. Any way, here is the donor list:

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/shareholders.html

I recommend wardecing their corps. Starting with mynnna's alliance and of course Chribba.


You spent 9 months infiltrating the New Order and you just recently found their public list of share holders? The same list that is prominently featured on every page of minerbumping.com I'm not sure what to say to about that...

The resistance is **** poor it would seem.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-01-03 17:33:38 UTC
Poison Dagger wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
OP mentioned going after the gankers benefactors.. I've been a deep cover spy in the New Order for 9 months, you know learning their schedules and such. Just recently I've found their secret donor list. These guys give the order billions in isk to purchase gank catalysts. Its really sickening. If you interrupt the flow of isk, the ganking will stop, or at least decline greatly. Any way, here is the donor list:

http://www.minerbumping.com/p/shareholders.html

I recommend wardecing their corps. Starting with mynnna's alliance and of course Chribba.


You spent 9 months infiltrating the New Order and you just recently found their public list of share holders? The same list that is prominently featured on every page of minerbumping.com I'm not sure what to say to about that...

The resistance is **** poor it would seem.

While this good man is obviously trolling, the resistance is indeed in **** poor shape. Yesterday I saw one of the self proclaimed leaders of the resistance saying 'that the rebellion was going well becuz he spanked BingBangBoom's cane'. By spanking he meant 'I did not kill him cuz he got away'. But he hadn't seen Bing ever since so he was sure the rebellion was a succes!

That was 5 minutes after I blew up a shitfit covetor in the same system Lol
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2014-01-03 17:59:29 UTC
There really isn't a resistance, if you consider what they do. Which is mostly tagging Concord KM's of gankers when the ganker dies to Concord. They don't actually prevent anything. And if by chance they add more work for the gankers, the resistance proclaims victory as they pat themselves on the back.. as the next Barge/Exhumer/mission runner dies. Got to give them props for trying though.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-01-03 18:08:10 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
There really isn't a resistance, if you consider what they do. Which is mostly tagging Concord KM's of gankers when the ganker dies to Concord. They don't actually prevent anything. And if by chance they add more work for the gankers, the resistance proclaims victory as they pat themselves on the back.. as the next Barge/Exhumer/mission runner dies. Got to give them props for trying though.


I do ocassionally gank pods of gankers but this has nothing to do with "resistance". I just love making pods go boom Big smile
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#49 - 2014-01-03 18:38:43 UTC
IIshira wrote:


I do ocassionally gank pods of gankers but this has nothing to do with "resistance". I just love making pods go boom Big smile


If you can get them, they deserve to die :)

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-01-03 19:14:46 UTC
Capt Starfox wrote:
There really isn't a resistance, if you consider what they do. Which is mostly tagging Concord KM's of gankers when the ganker dies to Concord. They don't actually prevent anything. And if by chance they add more work for the gankers, the resistance proclaims victory as they pat themselves on the back.. as the next Barge/Exhumer/mission runner dies. Got to give them props for trying though.

The best 'resistance' is flying tanked procurers and skiffs. I've been ganking in the same system for a few months, linking gevlon goblin's tanking guide and while my sole presence did not strike enough fear (and gank) into the locals, the added pressure of the New Order seems to have done the trick: the vast majority of groups now mine in packs of procurers and skiffs. It's the ignorant solo miner who still flies a hulk, covetor or untanked mack/ret.

Simply not being an easy target goes an incredibly long way, even the New Order hardly touches procurers/skiffs, too much effort and using 10 cata's on a single proc is not very cost effective too.
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2014-01-03 23:49:37 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:

The best 'resistance' is flying tanked procurers and skiffs. I've been ganking in the same system for a few months, linking gevlon goblin's tanking guide and while my sole presence did not strike enough fear (and gank) into the locals, the added pressure of the New Order seems to have done the trick: the vast majority of groups now mine in packs of procurers and skiffs. It's the ignorant solo miner who still flies a hulk, covetor or untanked mack/ret.

Simply not being an easy target goes an incredibly long way, even the New Order hardly touches procurers/skiffs, too much effort and using 10 cata's on a single proc is not very cost effective too.


Couldn't have said it better myself Blink

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2014-01-04 00:29:37 UTC
Julius Maagnus wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[quote=Silpheran]
I gank with my main, you can come after me anytime.


If anyone came after you, you would die


The last guy that came after me lost a ship. The thing that makes it really funny is I was AFK.

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#53 - 2014-01-04 00:57:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
This is the problem with high sec "pirates", they operate with zero risk and their costs are virtually nothing. It is a double standard to the "harsh environment" so many morons claim high sec miners and mission runners should have to operate in. There are no real consequences for being a d-bag in this game, only for playing a game infested with them.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#54 - 2014-01-04 01:55:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Nerf Burger wrote:
This is the problem with high sec "pirates", they operate with zero risk and their costs are virtually nothing. It is a double standard to the "harsh environment" so many morons claim high sec miners and mission runners should have to operate in. There are no real consequences for being a d-bag in this game, only for playing a game infested with them.
The only reason that there is little or no risk for suicide gankers and the like, aside from the faction police, is that most people don't make it risky for them.

Most are either permanently suspect or -10, if you can catch them you can shoot them. They've adapted to the environment and risks they work with, it's up to other players to make that environment more hostile for them by increasing the risks, or the cost of doing business.

If people want more consequences for suicide ganking they shouldn't look to CCP for help, the mechanics are already in place.

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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-01-05 11:24:57 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
This is the problem with high sec "pirates", they operate with zero risk and their costs are virtually nothing. It is a double standard to the "harsh environment" so many morons claim high sec miners and mission runners should have to operate in. There are no real consequences for being a d-bag in this game, only for playing a game infested with them.



There are plenty of consequences, killrights, loss of sec status. Those are consequences that scare the **** out of the average carebear even...
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2014-01-05 11:27:23 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Julius Maagnus wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[quote=Silpheran]
I gank with my main, you can come after me anytime.


If anyone came after you, you would die


The last guy that came after me lost a ship. The thing that makes it really funny is I was AFK.

Could you share that story with us? I'm betting it's hilarious :D
Yi-Ming Gren
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-01-06 03:46:30 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
This is the problem with high sec "pirates", they operate with zero risk and their costs are virtually nothing. It is a double standard to the "harsh environment" so many morons claim high sec miners and mission runners should have to operate in. There are no real consequences for being a d-bag in this game, only for playing a game infested with them.


If you think there is zero risk and costs virtually nothing give it a try. Tell us how it goes.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-01-06 05:34:07 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Julius Maagnus wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
[quote=Silpheran]
I gank with my main, you can come after me anytime.


If anyone came after you, you would die


The last guy that came after me lost a ship. The thing that makes it really funny is I was AFK.

Could you share that story with us? I'm betting it's hilarious :D


Guy attacked my ship, died, I found out 3 days later.

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#59 - 2014-01-06 10:39:40 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:

The best 'resistance' is flying tanked procurers and skiffs. I've been ganking in the same system for a few months, linking gevlon goblin's tanking guide and while my sole presence did not strike enough fear (and gank) into the locals, the added pressure of the New Order seems to have done the trick: the vast majority of groups now mine in packs of procurers and skiffs. It's the ignorant solo miner who still flies a hulk, covetor or untanked mack/ret.

Simply not being an easy target goes an incredibly long way, even the New Order hardly touches procurers/skiffs, too much effort and using 10 cata's on a single proc is not very cost effective too.




Why use ten Catalysts when one Stabber will do the job? BUMP!

The best tank is a combination of a permit tank and constant vigilance.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Kajaastas
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-01-06 10:49:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kajaastas
Loved reading this thread so much I told my corp to take a break from real pvp and go out and gank orca's for fun! Lol

Got two back to back! Twisted
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35737755/
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35738467/

I was only there for the third one =(
https://zkillboard.com/detail/35740568/