EVE General Discussion

Yet I know I'm right.
Since the GM's have been so explicit on this subject with their own posts on the forums.
And I also know what most miners are like.

Heh. Carebears on general discussion

But they try to avoid talking or playing with anyone, so most of those don't happen.

Ganking is also somewhat rarer ... and makes people lose ships.

The Minerbumping thing started in 2012, as an alternative to ganking since ramming incurs neither Concord response nor flagging. It is effectively normal now throughout High-sec space, though most of the systems are Agent-free at any given time since they lack the numbers to do 100% of them. This means you can deal with them in a non-combat manner by buying the permit or by jumping enough systems away to find an unattended system.

Part of the reason these kinds of play occur is from the misconception that High-sec space is safe. It is not; instead being only somewhat safer than Low or Null with a built-in retribution system to gaurantee that if someone attacks you outside of a War or use of aggression mechanic trickery, they explode as well. You can attack in 0.9 or even 1.0 space; you just have to be able to deliver enough damage to the target before Concord arrives to vaporize you. The only time you can not attack, is against a newbie in any of the systems listed here: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems

Sometimes the group may follow a target from High-sec to Low-sec, Null-sec, or J-Space, but that's more along the lines of wars than their standard operational fare. It's actually fairly uncommon, and most of the time they're in Concord-patrolled space to prove that it is not safe.

While some of the characters associated with the New Order bump, a significant portion of the official NO alliance (Code.) stick with the tried and true suicide gank, while others will do Awoxes or WarDecs to get the job done against non-compliant corps and alliances. To protect yourself against a ganker, you'll need to employ a good resistance/buffer tank of either armo(u)r or shield. A Covetor or Hulk is probably not the best for this, especially if you're solo mining. Given identical skills, the Procurer barge has give-or-take triple the HP of a Hulk, with the same low and mid slots for fitting options and a better ore hold iirc. Shield-tank the Proc with T1 mods and slap a DCU in a low, and it'll cost the gankers a lot more to kill you than it cost you to fit the thing. Yield won't be too terribly below that of the Hulk, with how the barges were teiricided. Procurers can also laugh at rats, giving you plenty of time for even basic-skilled drones to pop them.

Example fit:

Procurer, Gank-resistant

High:
1. Strip Miner or Ice Miner (Depending on which you're mining)

Mid:
1. Adaptive Invulnerability Field (Can be the regular I version or the Limited, whichever you find at a better price)
2. EM Ward Field (Same as above)
3. Thermic Dissipation Field (Same as above, these three provide your main resistances)
4. Medium Shield Booster or Medium Shield Extender of choice (Personal preference on this one)

Low:
1. Damage Control (pick a reasonably-priced flavor and stick it on)
2. Mining Laser Upgrade or Reinforced Bulkheads or Power Diagnostics System (Personal preference. MLU lets you fill your hold up faster so you're not sitting around as long, RBH gives you hull HP to make more use of that DCU you installed, and PDS gives you more shields, cap and power. (Cue Tim "The Tool Man" Taylor grunt))

Rigs: (Optional, but they help. Stick with Tech1 rigs.)
1. Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
2. Core Defense Field Extender I
3. Core Defense field Extender I

Drones:
5x Hob I

It's by no means optimal, but it is certainly effective. According to EFT, Shield Booster/MLU fit with the rigs gives me with my skills a 62.8k effective HP ship, 66.3k against the Antimatter-loaded blasters found on the common ganking vessel, the Catalyst. Replacing the MLU with a tank mod will make it even harder to kill, with a negligible effect on yield. Hob I can kill High-sec belt rats easily enough.

The answer is yes, there are now more new order douches than previously, so yes, this is more common. The worst possible thing you can do is pay them, since that encourages them to d it more. In realism paying them only usually stops the one person doing it for now, and they will soon be back to tell you some other made up rule you've broken which invalidates your payment. I've seen it happen time and time again.

The best thing you can do is simply move to a new system (more than a few jumps away). If they follow you, petition it, since they are not allowed to follow you around bumping you forever. Also, there are unwritten limits. If they are completely preventing you from being able to do anything leaving you with only the option of not playing, it's been going on for more than a couple of hours, and they have no ability to kill you or gain anything from it, CCP will usually ask them to cease if you raise a ticket.

Essentially what it boils down to is while CCP are not going to step in every time anyone gets bumped as it's a valid method of gameplay, if gets to the point of stupid and starts risking them losing subs, they'll usually take action.

Remember though, regardless of what the forum trolls tell you, if you feel harassed, and feel that it's gone on too long, you do have the right to raise a ticket about it. It may not get anything done if CCP feel it's within their limits, but you are free to report what you feel is harassment. At the end of the day, this is a game and we're all here for entertainment. Silently putting up with not having any fun at all because some troll on the forum told you you are a carebear won't do anything.

its been stated by GM/Dev clarification multiple times i believe, that repeated bumping agaisnt a single target, over long periods of time, and across distance (constellation or region) IS griefing.

now, if he refuses to pay and you wardec/gank him, it is not griefing, but bumping nonstop for the sole purpose of preventing warp IS bannable.

you want to encourage him to pay? then quit being a **** and just gank him already.

Why don't you just admit that you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about?



Poppycock. The Code is clearly laid out for all to read and anyone who has their permit revoked is guilty of violating it. I understand that some people are opposed to the New Order in the safety of the forum, but please at least try and have a clue before posting. Your willful dis-information is only going to cause more miners to have their ships confiscated at gunpoint.

Yes it is, and CCP thinks this is why you pay them 15 euros/USD each month. You're free to disagree them, of course. Try doing something else were you can't be prevented from playing. Or just try playing another game; Space Engineers is fashionable now, and Kerbal Space Program plans to go Multiplayer sometime this year. Also, X Rebirth may be worth it in a few months once the modders and Egosoft get their sh*t together.

Being bumped in EVE is totally optional. And remember: never agree to blackmail as that only encourages further blackmail.

So what you are saying is that you cant comprehend how there might have been less members than there are now, while they are still currently losing members?

It's called a peak. 5 Years ago the new order were nothing, a tiny group of people. Since then, they have built up to a peak, and since peaking (and since the barge changes) have been decreasing in numbers as their efforts are less effective.

This by the way people just shows the level of moron required to qualify as an agent of the code. They not particularly difficult to outwit, since even basic concepts are way over their heads.

Bullshit. It's written to be purposely vague so you idiots can interpret it in whatever way benefits you at the time.

You seem to be taking it pretty seriously. Honestly, I thought even you new order guys knew you were an absolute joke.

Though the occasional "new order" type can probably PvP and does the "New Order" thing just for lulz most of them are wannabes and you rarely if ever see them in losec, people might actually shoot back at them.

Just feel sorry for the sort of person that wastes an entire hour bumping barges in 0.9 to make a measly 10 mill ransom :D (That btw is a whole 30 cents US per hour at current plex rates) .