EVE General Discussion

IMO EVE is more of a simulator then a game. Meaning you have to work for your ISK daily or learn ways to make income passive like trade and industry or pirating. When I started in EVE I didn't understand or appreciate the grind but I have grown to like it. When you see a player in a ship that takes months to train for ( not including the fittings) tearing it up on a kill mail it means more knowing he had to work to get there. Not including the player that buy toons from the bazaar of course but you see those players getting ganked in billion ISK ships with **** fits lol.

I have said it before, I enjoy mining. For the sake of mining. It is relaxing. Yes, it is boring, and mindless. Remove that, and I have no reason to play this game. I don't get the "thrill" of pvp. For me it is just something other people do, and I hope they don't do it around/to me. That is the way they want to play. Let me mine, I will make sure you have new things to blow up. Hurting me, only hurts yourself.

I can tell you that after 8 years on and off, I don't do any of the mindless grind. I also very seldom undock and 7 or 8 months of the year, don't even subscribe to EVE. One of the reasons the majority of the content you do in high sec is boring is not because it's mindless, it's because it's meaningless.


So no, taking the mindless grind out of EVE won't make it any more fun. Everything on test server is 100 ISK. You can undock ten thousand ships, fit with the greatest tech you can skill for. Watch it blow up over and over. An average of 500 people do this. The rest never do. Why? Because it's pointless.

Quite a few have. I'm one of them.


If "Joe Bloggs" is willing to spend the time and effort collecting the necessary money and resources to buy or make ships and modules and get them to the places he/she wants to get them to... then I fail to see a problem. He/She simply made the necessary preparations to do what he/she wants to do.


I guess we have different definitions of "skill and intelligence."

Yours appears to focus primarily on ship to ship combat. If ISK and resources were gained passively then yes... there would be more tactics and combat going around.

HOWEVER... because combat in EVE also requires huge amounts of resources and logistical effort (as I mentioned above) you have to look at the "bigger picture" and prepare accordingly. "Skill and intelligence" is required in setting these things and if you fail to do this... or an enemy has the "skill and intelligence" to disrupt it... then you will lose through simple attrition no matter how skilled you are in combat (incredibly enough, this is what theoretically gives newbies a fighting chance... if you can't fight against someone directly then start working on their squishier support network).

Some examples:
- I've heard stories about how various Null-sec alliances have used their crack squads of number-crunchers as "advance teams" to throw rival alliances' economies into chaos just prior to an invasion.
- The notorious "AFK-cloakers" many people use are a form of psychological warfare that also affects null-sec economies by playing on fears alone.
- Goonswarm has even done several "Ice Interdictions" in high-sec (where they suicide ganked any ice miner in sight) to drive up the prices of ice based products that they had stockpiled to both earn more ISK and put pressure on the research efforts of their enemies.

THIS is what makes EVE interesting. Warfare here is not simply ship on ship combat... it involves economic and logistical warfare as well.

One of the things that makes EVE so engaging is its variety. It sounds like what you want to do is remove all the stuff that you personally find "boring" and just keep the part that you personally like. Thankfully, CCP is catering to a wider audience than just you.

As others have said, mining may be "boring" but the mindless aspect of it can be relaxing. After hours of combat I like to take a break from all of that and do something mindless for awhile.

I also agree with the statements about personal value. If you want to fund your PvP activities, then drag your ass out to the asteroid belt like everyone else. Or you can use your "creativity and intelligence" to make your ISK another way. Plenty of people generate their income in more passive activities.

I think EVE is very well balanced in this regard.

At least in battlegrounds the flag doesn't stop at 25% requiring you to come back 24 hours later to fight a unlimited player premade. One thing for sure, WoW PvP is better then EvE PvP, mechanics wise.

Boat fleets

Oh really? You don't have to start research/manufacturing jobs, haul or create courrier contracts and then manually sell each item on the market? Because if you do, that's far from passive...

Q: Would EVE be more fun without mindless grinding?
A: Buy GTCs/PLEXes and pay for whatever activity floats your boat in EVE

If you don't like boring, repetitive tasks, then why are you doing them?

Progression in the game is based on what you want it to be and how good you are at finding something that you find fun to do.

And as with every other game, if you can't find anything fun to do in it then you are most likely playing the wrong game.