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WARNING!! Dem drones can get 'cha killed
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#1 - 2013-12-31 03:09:45 UTC
If you follow the forums (or killboards) much lately you already know that setting your drones to aggressive when using one of the new depot or MTUs is a great way to unexpected PVP, but this is not about that.

If you multi-box with either ship setting their drones to assist, you may be in the same position even if your drones are set to passive. If any ship in the fleet has drones set to assist another ship and the owner of that ship is attacked, drones will retaleite on that opposing ship no matter the setting. If the player you have assigned to be assisted is the owner of the depot or MTU, attacking those items may be different to CONCORD but is all the same to the drones.

To repeat, when set to assist, both Passive AND Aggressive drones may retaliate against those who attack the new structures when assisting another ship.

My recommendation? Leave the new deployables in the station if you do not want to duel in a mission dead space until more info on the aggression rules are release/discovered.

Please do not mistake this as a whine or some sort of rail against the practice of busting mission runners. Hell ship explosions make me isk. That said, I think CCP should do a better job of documenting the ways that these new deployable items synergize with drone aggression. But oh well. We help each other I guess.

Peace!

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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#2 - 2013-12-31 06:07:44 UTC
Excuse my ignorance but wasn't the safety setting supposed to prevent getting into PVP by accident?

Or put in another words, had anyone petitioned such situation when the setting was on green? And what was CCP's response?
Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#3 - 2013-12-31 06:46:36 UTC
drones set to assist dont shoot. Unless the person they are assigned to. Do not assist to someone you do not trust..

Drones set to defend will auto agress anything that agresses the target being shot.
Boomhaur
#4 - 2013-12-31 06:55:44 UTC
If your worried about the whole drone agressing just use the MTU as an auto-looter. Jump in a noctis, drop MTU (next to you), tractor in wrecks, salvage, let MTU loot. It's pretty hard for a salvage drone to agress someone attacking your MTU so I wouldn't worry about that. And if someone does start attacking the MTU it has 50k EHP, just scoop up the loot, than drop the MTU in your inventory. If you drop it in your inventory first you drop a jet can of goodies.

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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#5 - 2013-12-31 16:52:24 UTC
Gh0stBust3rs wrote:
drones set to assist dont shoot. Unless the person they are assigned to. Do not assist to someone you do not trust..

Drones set to defend will auto aggres anything that aggreses the target being shot.




This is wrong every time for sentries. Although it is intuitive and what I always believed.

Once you assign sentries to a shooter they idle until he shoots, yes.

But once that target is dead they will select any other valid target in range on their own.

If the shooter selects a different target, they will stop shooting their AI selected target and shoot the same target the shooter selected.

Try it for your self.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#6 - 2014-01-02 02:05:26 UTC
hmskrecik wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but wasn't the safety setting supposed to prevent getting into PVP by accident?

Or put in another words, had anyone petitioned such situation when the setting was on green? And what was CCP's response?


You, and they, would be wrong. The safety setting ONLY affects the legality of the actions you take, NOT the PVP consequences of your actions. A green setting allows you (or your drones) to engage any legal target, as you never get a suspect flag for engaging a legal target.

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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#7 - 2014-01-02 02:11:07 UTC
Batelle wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but wasn't the safety setting supposed to prevent getting into PVP by accident?

Or put in another words, had anyone petitioned such situation when the setting was on green? And what was CCP's response?


You, and they, would be wrong. The safety setting ONLY affects the legality of the actions you take, NOT the PVP consequences of your actions. A green setting allows you (or your drones) to engage any legal target, as you never get a suspect flag for engaging a legal target.


Sounds like CCP should offer you a job in the public relations and documentation department. Pretty sure they never stated it as straight forward. Hence the surprise butsecs.Oops

Oh well, for all we know the results we are seeing may well have been an expected feature. I'm just trying to put the information out there so people can make choices.

PEACE!

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Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#8 - 2014-01-02 02:32:19 UTC
The issue and fix are simple.

CCP needs to make your safety settings change to yellow if currently set to green when you put drones on aggressive or assist.
(( warning screen too ))

If you put your safety settings to green the drone settings should change to passive and stop assisting.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-01-02 02:40:15 UTC
There's all kinds of tricks pilots use to get mission runners to engage them in PVP. Nice post to keep pilots informed.

I have a feeling some at CCP regret drones were added to the game due to how glitchy they are. Just to prevent troll responses I'm not saying this is a glitch nor am I expressing the opinions of CCP. Big smile
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#10 - 2014-01-02 04:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The issue and fix are simple.

CCP needs to make your safety settings change to yellow if currently set to green when you put drones on aggressive or assist.
(( warning screen too ))

If you put your safety settings to green the drone settings should change to passive and stop assisting.


No. Because "don't shoot anyone" is not what the safety does, so it shouldn't have that effect on drones.


Also, thanks for the info OP. I might guess that drones set to aggressive but are not set to assist will also retaliate if their pilot is the owner of the MTU?

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hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#11 - 2014-01-02 06:06:58 UTC
Batelle wrote:
hmskrecik wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but wasn't the safety setting supposed to prevent getting into PVP by accident?

Or put in another words, had anyone petitioned such situation when the setting was on green? And what was CCP's response?


You, and they, would be wrong. The safety setting ONLY affects the legality of the actions you take, NOT the PVP consequences of your actions. A green setting allows you (or your drones) to engage any legal target, as you never get a suspect flag for engaging a legal target.

Thanks for clarification.
Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
#12 - 2014-01-02 06:20:48 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Ireland VonVicious wrote:
The issue and fix are simple.

CCP needs to make your safety settings change to yellow if currently set to green when you put drones on aggressive or assist.
(( warning screen too ))

If you put your safety settings to green the drone settings should change to passive and stop assisting.


No. Because "don't shoot anyone" is not what the safety does, so it shouldn't have that effect on drones.


Also, thanks for the info OP. I might guess that drones set to aggressive but are not set to assist will also retaliate if their pilot is the owner of the MTU?


Yes sir. That was the first observation made when the MTU was released and the counter to that was to set drones to passive. I think that works for a solo pilot,but I have not had reason to test it. But if you set those same passive drones to assist another ship they may attack other targets on their own when the first target dies and a new target has not been chosen for them.

I say may because It was not consistent. I noticed it most in missions where the rat are packed in close. Assigned drones would start shooting targets that had never been targeted let alone aggroed.

I doubt this is new behavior, but never had reason to pay as much attention lol.


PEACE!

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Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#13 - 2014-01-05 19:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
hmskrecik wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but wasn't the safety setting supposed to prevent getting into PVP by accident?

Or put in another words, had anyone petitioned such situation when the setting was on green? And what was CCP's response?


Yes, its obviously an exploit with the drone AI. It is pretty telling how the abuse of this bug isn't getting any attention from CCP. Apparently this was reported on test server and has been ignored for a while now. What a **** company eh?
Shantetha
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-01-05 20:10:37 UTC
hmskrecik wrote:
Excuse my ignorance but wasn't the safety setting supposed to prevent getting into PVP by accident?

Or put in another words, had anyone petitioned such situation when the setting was on green? And what was CCP's response?


drones aren 't covered by the safety setting, i'm betting because of legacy code.