EVE Fiction

That's hilariously awesome...

I had a very roundabout idea simply of putting a DUST implant in a clone and jumping or regular podding into it. During the time in that DUST body, you effectively lose the capsuleer title and can't fly a ship worth **** besides physically manning it like a regular person with a crew and everything. Plus, you need the distance limitation and, depending on how an MCC or its internal suite and the DUST implant communicate, it could be rather easy to stop that connection, be it underneath thick heavy metals, or sending a resonating wave back to cancel out the implant to MCC communications.

To get back to being a capsuleer, mr. former podder must kill himself within the vicinity of the MCC and be reuploaded to a pod-capable clone.

The problems seem to be that, from how some perceive CCP's Dust implant/Pod incompatibility, it might be more of the capsuleer mind physically just cannot fit inside a DUST implant body due to sheer size limitations of neural data or whatnot. The basic idea of this rather two bit craptastic idea is more of, yes you can leave your pod and have your "immortality" but you'll be treading a still dangerous line to anyone with a brain to just break the connection and shoot you to permakill you. You still would prefer just sitting the captain's quarters with 2k ISK guards outside, staying preferably fine in the pod-ready body instead of risking such a danger.

I think this is the key to the entire subject.

That is an excellent question.

So while a single body can't handle both cloning technologies, could the brain data be stored and transferred back and forth between clones with one having cap tech and the other merc tech.

I would say yes because the clone is you and has your brain, and I would think it could be similar to jump cloning.

I'm reading "Templar One" and Empress Sarum says that the technologys are very similar. The sleepers might have been an offshoot of the Jove.

I say similar to jump cloning, but I could be completely wrong. Is there lore somewhere that explains jump clone tech?

Problem is: almost all people think in the lines of using the clone as it is only in the ships and you HAVE to use your main clone to walk on stations.

If you have a clone like a jump clone with which you use to walk on stations, not as a vessel for your scan, but rather a clone your main clone controls by neural interfaces, you still have the same power to be blown to pieces and just wake up your main clone. Either a flesh and blood clone remote controled, or something on the lines of Surrogates movie, which is a robot human like you control with your mind. Either way, it is not out of technology reach as you are stated to have brain/machine interfacing technology already in place, and humanoid robots which could simply be covered on balistic gel to resemble you.

But on top of all, if the need to explain why you cant be permanently killed while walking around, there are hundreds of ways the lore dont need to be changed in order to explain how that can happen. It is just a matter of EVE Fiction writters to choose their most loved one.

One note on that, yes, I know, they have not been so wise in the past regarding not changing lore to fit game mechanics, but lately that has been better done.

the cloning process involves making a detailed scan of somebody's brain and transmitting that to be uploaded into a new body.

If data can be transmitted, it can be stored. If it can be stored, then it can be used as a contingency in the event of the primary upload failing (this is my head-canon for the SP loss if you get podded with an inadequate clone).

If I were to design a mechanic for getting killed out of pod it would run as follows:

1: Backups. Every time you are podded or make a clone jump, you store "backup" information. You may also create a backup by spending some small amount of ISK. Your backup is your exact skill profile at that moment - number of skills, level of each skill, number of SP in each skill. You only have (and need) one backup at a time.

2: If you are killed out of pod, you restore from backup. This means that your character resets to the exact number of SP and number of skills they had at the point when the backup was made. if you're cautious, there's no reason you shouldn't lose more than a few thousand SP. If it's been forever since your last podding, clone jump or manual backup, though, you could stand to lose millions of SP.

3: If you can somehow recover your corpse and extract the cybernetic memory module from it, you can get back the lost SP.

6th day type stuff.

But thats not how it works in Eve, they mentioned it previously, that you actually die from the "Snapshot" of the brain.

Once your pod is breached, the device activates and downloads your brain, this process ends up scrambling your brain, but that alright cause "Every capsuleer knows that capsule breach = death" or something like that.

I wonder if they keep old versions of you saved somewhere from previous deaths,

If they do wonder whats stopping two or more versions of yourself walking around

Until all this is sorted out I'll continue to rely on my loyal obscenely well paid personal security staff of Dust514 Mercs to shuttle me about stations in the rare times I need to do a physical face to face meeting with anyone other than a family member. As it currently stands my family lives on station so I rarely have the need to actually go down to a planet surface. My personal security staff has state of the art scanning tools so my family and I are as safe as possible when in station.

To keep up to date on what is going on on the surface of worlds I rely upon reports from loyal Dust514 Mercs, baseline employees, and family members. You gain quite a bit when you become a capsuleer but you do have to give up quite a few things as well. So random strolls in public are out of the question. Having taken part in missions that have resulted in the deaths of numerous baseliner crew members I am not eager to offer myself up as an easy target while clothes shopping.

Revenge is a real thing, not to mention bounty hunters.

I defently see a possibility that in the future that clones with dust implants linked to neuralsockets on the back that capsuleers possess and can in turn be linked to the stargate network trough it to connect to a clone instead of a mobile revival unit. It would render capsuleers imortal outside the pod as well. The capsuleers would however remember their own deaths like dust soldiers do.

You could probably remote a clone with a slave set from your pod. No one would realize that your slaved clone wasn't you... just saying. btw.. update your clone before you get out of your pod, record everything that happens when in the station and if you get killed you only have a couple of hours to catch-up on before planning revenge :)

We have been discussing it, check by the earlier posts.