EVE General Discussion

I don't think supercarriers should be allowed to carry sentries.

can you hop in a bestower real quick and bring me some sentries? the ones i had seem to have disappeared into a station hangar somewhere along with some fighters i had in there

im kinda worried now because my drone bay still says it's full

which is a great improvement over pubbie thought, i.e. "i mined the minerals muhself so the ship is free"

Here, from the horses' jackals mouth: Carriers aren't an issue.
Now I know you have some sentry questions too, can you restate them?

Yes carriers are an issue, this fleet is an issue.

Right now they are unkillable to subcaps and able to wipe out any subcap fleets you deploy. They are what those supers used to be. The only saving grace is that they are not as deadly as the old super blob was.

"Why can't you use e-war against carrierfleets?"
"Supers can't be jammed."

Later:
"There was no implied message."

Yeeeaaaah ...............

I'm not sure why you think I'm going to trust you on that.

Now you are just being moronic.

He asked a question. I told him why we don't just jam it.

How is this hard for you?

Ahh, I get it. You don't think the message was implied, not that the message wasn't there.
Fair enough, so the problem is supercarriers, not too survivable carriers.
Please inform Andski of that, I am sure he'd love to know how supercarriers impact sentry drones (And doctrines).

I gave you an example some days ago, but fair enough.
Battleships with high enough alpha, especially if coupled with lockbreaker bombs and cap warfare.
In fact, any combination of doctrines that can manage to put out ~2.5M DPS in less than 20 seconds can do it.
Any fleet that can combine a DPS of 80 000 and a neuting power of more than 5 000 cap/s can do it, albeit probably at a loss.

There are a few fleets that could potentially do this on their own, but more likely you need a couple of fleets and a bomber wing, which still lands it squarely within the realm of what you have done before, so going the dread way is a choice for you.
And that's half my point.

The other half is still that you lack good arguments to nerf carriers, sentries, drone assist or supers.

…because those are the ones providing the reps. Thus, the notion that bringing along a lot of ewar as a counter falls flat.

He did not imply that carriers are overpowered because they can be repped by supers — just that ewar is not a viable option.

Because it exposes that the people who makes the suggestions aren't familiar enough with the actual realities of the situation to judge whether those suggestions are sensible or not? Exposing people's ignorance often draws exactly that kind of ire…


Because it has been the guiding principle of pretty much every capship balancing attempt in the last couple of years, and every time something is devised to work around that principle, more balancing will happen to ensure its proper application.

I still dont get why sub caps should be able tp take on caps.

If you do sov wars then you need cap ships. Maybe what the cfc is saying that they should not be in 0.0 because they are unwilling to use null sec tools.