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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#61 - 2014-01-04 21:11:14 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:


Yea, like the time we rolled into you, asked for a fight, but you guys were busy elsewhere. Sometimes it can't be helped.


If i ever see you in space, I will drive some conflict at you Twisted

No trolling please
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#62 - 2014-01-05 03:52:52 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Hidden Fremen wrote:


Yea, like the time we rolled into you, asked for a fight, but you guys were busy elsewhere. Sometimes it can't be helped.


If i ever see you in space, I will drive some conflict at you Twisted

I want some conflict near our hole, i want the time from few months ago when we had K162's from various corporations HRDKX,Questionable Ethics, Aztech,Jedi's,Exiled ones,Polarized,Boris Johnson,United System Common Wealth(they bring a fight these days, but get scared on half way and they run trough null sec usually without fighting) etc..

Everyone is out of their hole these days, telling fairy's about fighting vs null sec, low sec, high sec or whatever, no one roll into us anymore, and when we roll into someone they are all out of their home hole, every single time.. How can that kind of corps be called PVP corps or notable or W-space corps? Maybe I'm wrong but i doubt that..
QT McWhiskers
MultiPass Inc.
The 5th Seal
#63 - 2014-01-05 07:51:29 UTC
You will rarely find me fighting in nullsec. Unless we happen to see another expensive battle rorq to kill. Null fighting always goes one of two ways. And always start the same way.

We find an expensive target to gank and go for it. The battle then rages on too long and we end up fighting way too much, or they bring in a bunch of derp for our grinders and we end up trashing them between our teeth. (This is of course counting on them actually fighting and not shouting LOCKDOWN in their intel channels.)
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#64 - 2014-01-05 11:33:41 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:
You will rarely find me fighting in nullsec.


So where do you fight then? 90% of our kills are in nullsec. If/when there are wh targets we kill those... but thems rare

Blue-Fire Best Fire
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-01-05 14:14:28 UTC
Only 2% of eve lives in wormholes. If you only fight people there then you are doing it wrong. Sure there are fun fights in w-space, and great small gang stuff, but you will always get more fights in low or null.

Wormholes as a place to base out of are great though. Travel without movement for the win.
Peter Moonlight
Suddenly Carebears
#66 - 2014-01-05 15:22:13 UTC
QT McWhiskers wrote:
You will rarely find me fighting in nullsec. Unless we happen to see another expensive battle rorq to kill. Null fighting always goes one of two ways. And always start the same way.

We find an expensive target to gank and go for it. The battle then rages on too long and we end up fighting way too much, or they bring in a bunch of derp for our grinders and we end up trashing them between our teeth. (This is of course counting on them actually fighting and not shouting LOCKDOWN in their intel channels.)

Yeh, i haven't said you guys are out all the time, only some of yours go for some fun when you have nearby null/low, i was called in that roams by your members few times and SSC also.. But I have never experienced that we got HRDKX as static or their k162 and that you can't or won't form up a fleet, and we did the same every time you rolled into us if we had a chance we were giving a fight, you know that QT.

@Aquila Sagitta: We once rolled in your static and you were all out we were around for few hours doing things, and you had some people, you were just ignoring and going to the k-space. You could come back for a fight, but you didn't wanted to. The thing is you say WH targets are rare, yes they are, but when you are on a roll which i guess you are not doing, you get into farming holes, so you gank farmers and it's a good start, then you get into some pvp group hole, and if everyone would think like that, oh wait we will wait PVP to come for us in wormholes, and when it comes we will say we are in k-space. What is the difference between you and the farmers then? They also have alts and corporations in WH's, earn the isk, and play it in ls/ns/hs or whatever.. So lets all try roll our holes, and get some pew pew, and try being at home.

@Bubble trout: Well I'm not sure if that is right, but if it is, it's okay. If we only fight here it means we are hardcore wormholers, and that is what makes us happy. Yeh, great fights, great small gang, and you are always going to get much more in ls/null much more people,troll,ganks and CYNOS.. As a note last 5 times i was solo in lowsec or null i was hot dropped, I remember once someone from null was for a fight versus our Drake Navy+Basi fleet, vs their BC fleet, they dropped 10-15ish caps +subcap.. In wormholes you can get blobbed but not that hard, and you pretty much know how can do that. Subcap blob is not really a blob, because if you have 15-30 people in fleet you can't find a group that has like 70 or 60, and still i wouldnt call that a blob. A thing that can be a blob, if you ask ME, is when someone drops a lot of caps on you like DENY vs SSC back then.
So in wormholes you pretty much get good fights, and learn things, in null it's always who has more people or raw DPS, no tactics used.. And wormholers will always be unable to face nullsec only `cause of the numbers. But sure I'm up for some great fight with 400+ wormholers vs nullsec..
Rall Mekin
End-of-Line
#67 - 2014-01-06 17:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rall Mekin
I hate to say I couldn't be bothered reading all of this, but I couldn't be bothered reading all of this.

Seriously, one problem driving this hole issue with large-groups-not-getting-fights in wormhole space is the consolidation of power into bigger and bigger groups. I know I do *not* like it, but demand drives markets. -EOL is forced to recruit and grow in all time zones, now seeking an Alliance to help with that, because of the threat of yet a bigger entity possibly invading in a time zone in which we are weak, burning everything down, and us being forced to start over from scratch. I also want to do evictions [eventually], possibly as mercenary work, so I need size, numbers, and power to control holes for this purpose.

The truth is, we all want to be bigger for protection and for more power in PVP. However, growing into mega-blob alliances that ONLY roll around as mega-blob alliances is a huge problem, because no one ever wants to fight you, because looking at your killboard and past run ins, they know it is always a trap with you--always. I have turned down fights with large entities in the past when we were smaller for this exact reason.

To solve this, our corp routinely goes out in 1-4 man gangs and just hunts in solo/small groups through null/other holes. We are finding it to be extremely productive, and I hope people seeing that as part of our culture--smaller groups scouting/pvping--will encourage other groups to fight us. As a note, since I've stated many places today we are looking to enter into a living arrangement with other wormhole entities, we will continue the above practice of small group/solo roaming wherever we go/whatever we do. I simply hate blob warfare, but sometimes you have to be able to do it.

I also hate t3 only doctrines. We require them for serious fights against other t3 blobs, but I really prefer to take a hurricane or harbinger and just go blast another bc in the face. Smaller groups provide more diverse PVP opportunities. I'm really looking forward to our BLOPs operations in null soon as well.