Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Only on ships with two, or effectively two mids.

Agreed, Tachyons are amaze. If any ship line is to be considered lackluster I would say Caldari cruisers are a bit tough to use as far as dedicated conventional cruiser to cruiser platforms are concerned. The Caracal is more of a anti-frigate platform and the Moa isn't as intuitive to train into since it uses hybrids. Overall, I think the balance is fine as is. The op probably just doesn't like the Amarr playstyle.

Like I said, I could totally be wrong. I'm just going off what Amarr pilots have told me and what I've seen in my fiddling around in EFT.

Most people who are complaining about Amarr ships just have trouble thinking out of the box.

For example. Lack of mid slots. Not everyone needs point, web, prop mod. Especially in fleets. Fit a web instead if point then all of a sudden the tracking doesn't become an issue and lasers project damage better than other weapons. You'll often find your opponent die very quickly before they notice that they aren't pointed.

Amarr are an excellent race to fly IMO.

Go through this the easy way;

They have the best buffer tanks in the entire game. With resistances and base armour stats, combined with monstrous native powergrids, the amarr are very difficult to beat in terms of sheer EHP.

Amarr doctrine and playstyle has always been to dominate the middle distance engagement. They have the best DPS projection the game. There is no way around this. From a PVE perspective; tachyons dominating npc's using SHORT RANGED AMMO at 70km optimals (+40km falloff!) in a paladin. In an apocalypse you can lay down 700 DPS at 60km optimals using pulse weapons fitted with scorch. This DPS is as close to its paper value as you can get in any race.

Amarr combine two of the best weapon systems currently in the game, drones, and turrets, moreover, lasers, which are total shield killers, and as mentioned before; they dominate projected DPS ranges and true value DPS estimations.

The amarr ships which are not bonused to be heavy ass buffer tanks are ****ing fast; the executioner, the omen, the navy omen, the slicer, the vengeance etc. These ships speeds combined with their projection makes them incredible. Fly a slicer or vengeance against another frigate hull, you will see what I mean.

There are also T2 ships that dominate the field in short range missile warfare; a HAM legion outstrips a HAM tengu in terms of its tank/DPS output balance; It can be a top damage dealer while taking the most damage in the gang simultaneously.

Tracking disruptors are incredible in smaller engagements and can force an opponents movements if you understand their ship and are capable of reading their play.

Dont even get me started on energy neutralizers and the bonuses that most ships field toward these. ECM has a random chance of taking a player out of the battle for a fraction of the fight, Sensor damps slow down a players targeting system but these ships can be overcome. neutralizing an energy source can not only shut a ships tank down, but its speed, and potentially its weaponry. Neutralizers are the final word in a fight, and guess who has ships bonused toward them?

Maybe amarr just is not your style.. If you are more interested in stumbling across targets a bit quicker and mashing F1 once and seeing a players ship pop, go minmatar. If you are more interested in balls to the wall top end DPS, go with gallente. If you want versatility and forgiving ships to fly, go caldari.

...If you feel creative enough to find out what makes amarr good, fly them a bit more; before slamming the races ships simply because you dont know how to fit or fly them.

With no way to maintain the Range and a Logistic ship really hard to fit to tank. I don't see wich sort of fleet Amarr could do.
The number a Amarr fleets you see on the fields seems to tell that rare are the FCs that have find a solution.
But I may be wrong.
Thank you for your replies.

Of course there are lot of ships that are not cap stable with a MWD and no other module on. If it can be logic for some ship even if I don't think so, most of these ship do not nee capacitor to shoot.

Hellcats and AHACs both spring to mind immediately...

And yet notice how that fleet doctrine ceased using Amarr ships (often with projectiles fitted despite laser bonuses) & moved onto other races. Large Lasers are back in a semi ok place now. Though still a little cap hungry. Yes Amarr ships often have larger base cap, but they tend to have very similar cap recharge rates. Small & Medium lasers are still vastly too cap hungry, resulting in nearly all the small & medium amarr ships either having a cap reduction bonus, which gimps them in that sense of only having one real bonus, or not fitting lasers.

LAsers and hybrids use cap. So you are in one half of eve weapon system.

Also some amarr ships do nto use cap to fire, liek prophecy, armageddon, damnation, and others.