EVE General Discussion

because they got ganked and want to believe it is only because the ganker was a bad guy

so they can feel better

Gankers tend to be pretty ambitious, but of course, nowhere near as ambitious as the mission runners & miners who aspire to do nothing & want zero contact with people.

CCP can make that come true.

You think that waiting for people to change system at the chokepoints and taking whatever morsel fate throw your way is ambitious ?
At least miners and missioners go after their roids and their NPCs, even if it is arid, it's still something.

By ambition I mean going after the big fishes, proactively, not waiting for newbies who think they can do their missions in a lowsec system at the border with high sec.

Man, what is happening to these forums when an OP like this can go without being shouted down by literally everyone who reads it? A couple years ago, this would have immediately generated hundreds of negative replies, and even CCP's devs would be writing telling the OP that he's incorrect. As anyone who's been here more than a minute should know by now: EVE is not PVE.

EVE is now, and always has been, PVP.

There are literally zero activities you can do in this game aside from ship spinning in your station that do not constitute player vs. player (pvp) interaction.

Zero.

If you trade on the market, when you adjust your buy and sell orders to beat other players' buy and sell orders, you have just competed against those other players for available resources. You beat them. PVP

If you mine in an asteroid field, you are competing with other players for the available rocks. Every rock you mine and sell affects the value of every other rock in the game - and by extension, every other player's game. PVP

Even if you mission and are all alone in your own little world, once you undock, you are providing opportunities for other players which they may or may not take advantage of. Every bounty you earn, every module you sell, every bit of salvage you collect has an effect on the value of every other bounty, module, and bit of salvage belonging to every other player. Guess what? PVP

Because of the nature of the sandbox, every action you take in this game has an effect on every other player.

Nothing you do - nothing - once you undock is not PVP. An activity doesn't have to include pulse weapons to be pvp in EVE.

And denial is not just a river in Egypt.

YK

There's obviously a lot you don't get.

Don't drag your woefully poor understanding of the rationale behind game mechanics into this.
You've had this explained before to you several times. The fact that you don't get it reflects rather poorly on you. Like all of the other crusades you've made.

Of course you know the difference between market pvp and getting ganked while mining in highsec, which I agree isn't really pvp. It's a little pathetic that people like to go around killing defenseless players. If they were really pvping, they would go after people who could defend themselves. They seem too think they server some kind of purpose though, so what can you do? CCP is okay with it obviously. It's their rules that the gankers hide behind as an excuse.

Just name something that would be worse for you if you had to work harder or sacrifice more to gank? I've never advocated for 100% security. I just think it's still too easy to cause other's grief. Notice also I have tried a couple time to suggest constructive ways to improve the game for your side! But then, you don't seem to see any need to change it since you seem to like ganking helpless people. "That's the game, suck it up!" Right?

It's okay though, I've always been a little Quixotic about the games I play. Maybe one day I will be able to afford my own AAA game and can do it "right" lol. A little SWG, BF4, WoW, and Eve all mixed up together.

See that underlined part? Now go back & read your last few posts.