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That said, I wish you all a good and happy 2014!

I would agree that the alternatives you allude to do have obvious and severe failings.

Public in-game chat channels are not suited to this role. Well moderated and semi-private channels deal well with a subset of the tasks involved, but they are few and far between, a tough moderation task, by neccessity unnavailable to the wider EVE population and lack the organisation and historisation features that you desire.

The regional market, while well suited to a subset of tasks within this role, is not up to handling the whole job. Regionality, limited grouping, excluded items and other qwirks prevent it from being ideal.

I see the market forum sections as the traditional place for bulk trades. Unfortunately when it comes to implementing decent solutions to mainstream tasks, CCP has proven time and time again that they cannot help but bollocks it up no matter how many pre-existing superior examples there are available to them. Over 10 years of EVE and we still do not have a functional in-game text editor, in a game that relies on text to a degree that almost rivals old school MUDs. Nonetheless the official forum, degraded as it is, still provides a great deal of value to bulk traders. A few tweaks to it and the IGB could go a long way to rendering a mailing list obsolete.

Unofficial forums, which I expect almost all of us use to some extent, provide some excellent trade avenues both for bulk and non-bulk trades. A decent, quick, robust, IGB compatible forum with good contract linking functionality is essentially what we need and what many of us hoped/expected CCP to provide.

The in-game contract system, which I suspect is the cornerstone of these mailing lists, is clearly suited to bulk trades. I could easily forsake all my other avenues of trade for just that, even with its many long standing flaws, bugs and exploits. With the existance of the contract system and the forums I personally find the idea of a mailing list (particularly an in-game one) as something of a retrograde step.

As a community we have a huge number of talented developers that can and do put together awesome tools to handle almost every task you can (and many you never would) think of. I'm seriously suprised that an in-game mailing list has not been rendered obsolete by one of these community development heroes by now.

So yeah, I am still left wondering what the merits of a mailing list are. I wonder why, when an obvious break occurs in the status quo and a key person has gone rogue, that you choose to re-build the past rather than venturing into the future. I find that almost as daft as W3370Pi4's decision making in all of this.

I am looking forward to hearing more.

lol, have fun with your new out of the game fee mailing list

Your words confuse me. Is this even the right quote?

Interesting. Let's do the maths.

You say last year the mailing list handled over 100B worth of goods.

You say that the 3000 subscriber limit has become an issue - which means you have at least 3000 subscribers.

The annual subscription fee will be 75 million isk.

75M x 3000 = 225 billion ISK.




225 billion isk in subscription fees for a channel that handles 100B worth of sales. Wow.

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MATHSESES HARDER DERRRRRRRRRR

75% of the mailing list must be alts DURRRRR

nope since I joined the list I have made more then 3 billion isk so 75 mill is just nothing

While you are happy to pay that, it's still 75m, which is more than nothing. And don't forget its's not just you that has to pay it. All of your buyers will have to have paid it as well.

It's an awful lot of money to get transferred for someone to do basically nothing, while a google group does the job, especially since it's a downgrade in the quality of service.