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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2014-01-03 21:06:17 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Controlling the rocks to be mined that are needed to build the ships is PvP.

Exactly, you PvP so you can do high end PvE activies in safety. Therefore, Sov PvE is the real end game, and PvP is just the mechanic to get there.

everything is just pve

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#62 - 2014-01-03 21:07:03 UTC
Collecting tears is just a different form of harvesting that takes place on forums and leaked comms is all

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-01-03 21:15:16 UTC
Alex Sorensen wrote:
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Controlling the rocks to be mined that are needed to build the ships is PvP.


Exactly, you PvP so you can do high end PvE activies in safety. Therefore, Sov PvE is the real end game, and PvP is just the mechanic to get there.


Sov PVE can only be achieved if there is a proper PVP infrastructure to keep the PVE capsuleers safe. So it can be a mix of both PVE and PVP, but it is not strictly PVE.

No, it's not a mix. Sov Warfare is fighting over PvE resources. The end game is PvE. PvP is just a tool, a means, to get and hold those resources. Once those resources are obtain, it's all about the PvE.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#64 - 2014-01-03 21:24:53 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:

No, it's not a mix. Sov Warfare is fighting over PvE resources. The end game is PvE. PvP is just a tool, a means, to get and hold those resources. Once those resources are obtain, it's all about the PvE.



Or its exactly the opposite. Many sov wars have been fought over revenge, and out of spite. Sov wars are fought out of boredom, despite the cost. ISK doesn't make people log in, fun does. Weather you enjoy making isk or blowing it up is not something that can be generalized to the whole of Eve.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2014-01-03 21:29:18 UTC
Meyr wrote:
NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP.


Sure you can, Miniluv & other groups have proven this on many occasions.

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stoicfaux
#66 - 2014-01-03 21:31:22 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
stoicfaux wrote:
Controlling the rocks to be mined that are needed to build the ships is PvP.

Exactly, you PvP so you can do high end PvE activies in safety. Therefore, Sov PvE is the real end game, and PvP is just the mechanic to get there.

everything is just pve

Except RMT. If you're paying your rent with RMT, it's not PvE anymore.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2014-01-03 21:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Snagletooth Johnson
Batelle wrote:
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:

No, it's not a mix. Sov Warfare is fighting over PvE resources. The end game is PvE. PvP is just a tool, a means, to get and hold those resources. Once those resources are obtain, it's all about the PvE.



Or its exactly the opposite. Many sov wars have been fought over revenge, and out of spite. Sov wars are fought out of boredom, despite the cost. ISK doesn't make people log in, fun does. Weather you enjoy making isk or blowing it up is not something that can be generalized to the whole of Eve.

Revenge for the other corp messing up their PvE. Out of spite that the other corp has better moon goo. Out of bredom becuase, well, it's PvE after all. Yes, ISk does make people log in, very few sub their alts, gotta get that plex money.

Eve generalized, My job is done
Eve is PvE!!



Oh, and an obligitory Ore is Free!!!
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-01-03 21:48:01 UTC
Meyr wrote:


NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'
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You so completely and utterly wrong. We make isk from PVP and PVP alone. You would be impressed hwo easy is.. when you can sustain a 99% efficiency.

So you are already wrong in a single sentence, proved yourself to be unable to grasp the reality of eve, therefore your opinion is null and void.

No eve is NOT PVE. PVE is how the weakest fuel their PVP. Even if they do not want to PVP.. they are just preparign themselves to someday be the part on PVP.. even if its being ganked.

There is zero value in eve PVE, no purpose, no achievement, no excitment...

all of eve is PVP. Even these forums are completely PVP.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Deunan Tenephais
#69 - 2014-01-03 22:00:20 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Oh, and an obligitory Ore is Free!!!

It's true, the ore is free but not the time it took you to mine.

Beside foolishness, the OP vented an inflamatory rant based upon a reality: PvP does not create or produce wealth, it only destroy it or make it change hands.
Only extraction of ressources from the environment (mining, rating, missioning, other thinging) produce the wealth necessary to PvP.
I don't pretend to know if PvP is the core of EvE, but PvE is its basis at least because CCP decided so.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#70 - 2014-01-03 22:06:02 UTC
Just do whatever you want, wherever you want, whenever you want.

Also do not be surprised if someone else's whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want involves removing you from your ship.

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Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-01-03 22:24:11 UTC
In the beginning, there was PVE.

Then, PVP
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#72 - 2014-01-03 22:46:20 UTC
Meyr wrote:
NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'


So you agree changes must be made to make PVP more profitable so you aren't forced to PVE if you want to PVP?

You believe in the sandbox right?
Lailyana Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2014-01-03 23:12:34 UTC
one cant pvp with pve? i for one disagree, I havent touched a mission in well over 3 months and i still have more than enough isk to go out and get blown up

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ZynnLee Akkori
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2014-01-03 23:12:35 UTC
I do hope they make pure, non-ganking PVP activities more profitable. And simultaneously making it even harder to attack and kill others in high-sec.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#75 - 2014-01-03 23:28:38 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
I do hope they make pure, non-ganking PVP activities more profitable.

ganking isn't pvp
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
And simultaneously making it even harder to attack and kill others in high-sec.

now you're talking

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#76 - 2014-01-03 23:34:07 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
I do hope they make pure, non-ganking PVP activities more profitable.


Profitability is in the hands of the individual. Many people, Logical 101 for example who spoke about the profitability of ransoms, have mentioned PVP activities that can yield a profit. This "they" you speak of is not responsible for making anyone profitable.

ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
And simultaneously making it even harder to attack and kill others in high-sec.


Making oneself harder to attack and be killed in hi-sec is in the hands of the individual. If you don't want to be attacked and "killed" in hi-sec, don't be a profitable target. The same "they" is not responsible for making anyone safe.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2014-01-03 23:35:48 UTC
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
And simultaneously making it even harder to attack and kill others in high-sec.

Why must CCP do it for you? You have the power to do this yourself.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#78 - 2014-01-04 00:05:35 UTC
Ivan Krividus wrote:
Meyr wrote:
Yes, I know some of you are going to threaten revenge for (insert whatever you want here).

Too bad.

Yes, it really is that simple.


Watchlisted.

Too bad.

Its going to be less PvE than ever for you , at least.


Can I count this as a forum 'like'?

Big nasty guy has me watchlisted! Oh, NOES!!!!

Currently fighting up in Vale. Feel free to come hunt me down, Oh Great and Noble Manly Man!

By the way, loving you in those 'Diet Dr. Pepper Man advertisements!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#79 - 2014-01-04 00:09:52 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
ZynnLee Akkori wrote:
And simultaneously making it even harder to attack and kill others in high-sec.

Why must CCP do it for you? You have the power to do this yourself.

Why do it yourself? CCP has the power to do it for you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#80 - 2014-01-04 00:14:03 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
Meyr wrote:
NO ONE can pay for their PVP by only doing PVP. Your SRP is paid for by corp or alliance taxes, which, ultimately, are generated by PVE. Your Faction Warfare ships are paid for by the PVE portion of FW, not just by 'pew-pew.'


So you agree changes must be made to make PVP more profitable so you aren't forced to PVE if you want to PVP?

You believe in the sandbox right?


This would be a welcome change - i just have absolutely zero concept of how it could be done.