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Sp CCP, how is that Marauder as a PvP ship concept working out?

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#41 - 2014-01-03 16:22:48 UTC
All numbers are up, but the earth is still flat.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#42 - 2014-01-03 16:23:29 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
@Fozzie:

have these numbers/percentages been normalized to the amount of people playing the game?

i assume there have been new/returning players resubbing for the expansion.

and also more activity in the game in general, as expansions are exciting times. basically without some form of normalization it's hard to see those numbers as meaning anything


This would be a pain in the ass to do. Furthermore, it wouldn't even be worth doing since you would probably want to look only at marauder-capable pilots and not normalize according to pilots who are new or are alts.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#43 - 2014-01-03 16:23:33 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
In the 6 weeks immediately after Rubicon marauders dealt 159,640,990 (after resists are applied) points of damage in PVP, placing each of the four Marauders firmly in the middle of the pack when compared to faction and pirate battleships (their closest peers).

We wanted to ensure that the ship had viable uses appropriate to its cost and stature in both PVE and PVP (where it was mostly lacking in PVP before Rubicon). This has been a smashing success so far.

Also since I know you'd be interested Disndale, 12% more highsec Incursion dungeons have been completed per day since Rubicon compared to the 12 weeks before Rubicon so we managed to do it all while making highsec Incursions more popular, not less.


And where has this PvP damage been done?
On what type of objects? Perhaps high sec PoCo's, which is a one-off, if that is the case.
I would like to see a breakdown on what they shot at.
Clearly, you have the details available within minutes.

And as for a 12% increase in high sec inc's being completed, that is also a meaningless number.
There could be half a dozen factors for that.
The fact is that Paladin's and Kronos' were trashed for incursions.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#44 - 2014-01-03 16:23:52 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
In the 6 weeks immediately after Rubicon marauders dealt 159,640,990 (after resists are applied) points of damage in PVP, placing each of the four Marauders firmly in the middle of the pack when compared to faction and pirate battleships (their closest peers).

We wanted to ensure that the ship had viable uses appropriate to its cost and stature in both PVE and PVP (where it was mostly lacking in PVP before Rubicon). This has been a smashing success so far.

Also since I know you'd be interested Disndale, 12% more highsec Incursion dungeons have been completed per day since Rubicon compared to the 12 weeks before Rubicon so we managed to do it all while making highsec Incursions more popular, not less.


You sir think your 'facts' and your 'logic' and 'empirical evidence' mean anything here in the alternate dimension called 'General Discussion'?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2014-01-03 16:24:39 UTC
The only way this thread can get better is if we get some bar graphs.
Altarica
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2014-01-03 16:27:56 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I'm back at the office today and doing some metrics research to get myself up to date on what trends emerged while I was on vacation, so I'll go ahead and share a few tidbits about this exact question.

If you compare the 6 weeks after Rubicon to the 12 weeks before Rubicon (running the numbers comparing to the 6 or 18 weeks before Rubicon give pretty much exactly the same results since Marauder use was very stable before Rubicon):

Both total PVP damage dealt by Marauders and the number of unique characters getting on a killmail with a Marauder per day are up by about 180% (almost 3x the old rates). Over the same time period the number of Marauders exploding has increased by about 160%.

Usage in PVE appears to have increased over that same period by closer to 60%.

It's still early, but I'm quite happy with these numbers and they fit within the (admittedly wide) range we expected at this point.
All Marauder activity is up across the board, with the majority still being PVE as one would expect with such an expensive ship. The increases on a percentage basis have been much higher for PVP activity since the changes have opened up PVP opportunities that are dramatically more desirable than the class enjoyed before Rubicon. PVE with Marauders is great, but it was also pretty great before so the increases are more modest.



Might be interesting to revisit those PVE usage numbers in a few weeks, see if they drop off as people like myself who tried the new marauders found the exact same old level 4 missions and soon got board of them (again).
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2014-01-03 16:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
Pinky Hops wrote:
@Fozzie:

have these numbers/percentages been normalized to the amount of people playing the game?

i assume there have been new/returning players resubbing for the expansion.

and also more activity in the game in general, as expansions are exciting times. basically without some form of normalization it's hard to see those numbers as meaning anything


Since activity numbers are a more important trade secret these numbers are not normalized, but I can safely tell you that the Marauder numbers in both PVE and PVP are still way up when normalized for logon minutes.

Here's some more fun stats I can safely give. If you sort ships by the number of times they appear on killmails since Rubicon (so if two Vargurs are on the same mail it counts as 2 and the same ship can count multiple times if it appears on multiple mails in the period), here are what ships the Marauders place between (the Marauders are in no particular order):

Bellicose
Golem
Curse

Sin
Kronos
Scorpion

Tempest Fleet Issue
Vargur
Apocalypse

Broadsword
Paladin
Griffin

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#48 - 2014-01-03 16:30:02 UTC
Altarica wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I'm back at the office today and doing some metrics research to get myself up to date on what trends emerged while I was on vacation, so I'll go ahead and share a few tidbits about this exact question.

If you compare the 6 weeks after Rubicon to the 12 weeks before Rubicon (running the numbers comparing to the 6 or 18 weeks before Rubicon give pretty much exactly the same results since Marauder use was very stable before Rubicon):

Both total PVP damage dealt by Marauders and the number of unique characters getting on a killmail with a Marauder per day are up by about 180% (almost 3x the old rates). Over the same time period the number of Marauders exploding has increased by about 160%.

Usage in PVE appears to have increased over that same period by closer to 60%.

It's still early, but I'm quite happy with these numbers and they fit within the (admittedly wide) range we expected at this point.
All Marauder activity is up across the board, with the majority still being PVE as one would expect with such an expensive ship. The increases on a percentage basis have been much higher for PVP activity since the changes have opened up PVP opportunities that are dramatically more desirable than the class enjoyed before Rubicon. PVE with Marauders is great, but it was also pretty great before so the increases are more modest.



Might be interesting to revisit those PVE usage numbers in a few weeks, see if they drop off as people like myself who tried the new marauders found the exact same old level 4 missions and soon got board of them (again).


Yup I'll be watching all the metrics surrounding these ships closely as we go forward.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#49 - 2014-01-03 16:30:43 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
@Fozzie:

have these numbers/percentages been normalized to the amount of people playing the game?

i assume there have been new/returning players resubbing for the expansion.

and also more activity in the game in general, as expansions are exciting times. basically without some form of normalization it's hard to see those numbers as meaning anything


Since activity numbers are a more important trade secret these numbers are not normalized, but I can safely tell you that the Marauder numbers in both PVE and PVP are still way up when normalized for logon minutes.

Here's some more fun numbers I can safely give. If you sort ships by the number of times they appear on killmails since Rubicon (so if two Vargurs are on the same mail it counts as 2 and the same ship can count multiple times if it appears on multiple mails in the period), here are what ships the Marauders place between (the Marauders are in no particular order):

Bellicose
Golem
Curse

Sin
Kronos
Scorpion

Tempest Fleet Issue
Vargur
Apocalypse

Broadsword
Paladin
Griffin


To Translate, what you guys did was an across the board success and some people can see that because their personal preferences and biases are in the way.

Well done. Now keep your damn hands off me bloody Mach Smile
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#50 - 2014-01-03 16:34:12 UTC
Altarica wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I'm back at the office today and doing some metrics research to get myself up to date on what trends emerged while I was on vacation, so I'll go ahead and share a few tidbits about this exact question.

If you compare the 6 weeks after Rubicon to the 12 weeks before Rubicon (running the numbers comparing to the 6 or 18 weeks before Rubicon give pretty much exactly the same results since Marauder use was very stable before Rubicon):

Both total PVP damage dealt by Marauders and the number of unique characters getting on a killmail with a Marauder per day are up by about 180% (almost 3x the old rates). Over the same time period the number of Marauders exploding has increased by about 160%.

Usage in PVE appears to have increased over that same period by closer to 60%.

It's still early, but I'm quite happy with these numbers and they fit within the (admittedly wide) range we expected at this point.
All Marauder activity is up across the board, with the majority still being PVE as one would expect with such an expensive ship. The increases on a percentage basis have been much higher for PVP activity since the changes have opened up PVP opportunities that are dramatically more desirable than the class enjoyed before Rubicon. PVE with Marauders is great, but it was also pretty great before so the increases are more modest.



Might be interesting to revisit those PVE usage numbers in a few weeks, see if they drop off as people like myself who tried the new marauders found the exact same old level 4 missions and soon got board of them (again).


My bet is that the numbers will stay the same and be higher, because everyone isn't you and many don't run missions for 'fun' but rather for isk and standings to do other things.

The Sisters of EVE agents (and to a lesser extent, the High Sec thukker agents) have been popular for YEARS and now that there are more things in the LP store to spend LP on, this isn't going away anytime soon. As you can see from this thread, even the OP is using a marauder to do missions.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#51 - 2014-01-03 16:34:27 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
@Fozzie:

have these numbers/percentages been normalized to the amount of people playing the game?

i assume there have been new/returning players resubbing for the expansion.

and also more activity in the game in general, as expansions are exciting times. basically without some form of normalization it's hard to see those numbers as meaning anything


Since activity numbers are a more important trade secret these numbers are not normalized, but I can safely tell you that the Marauder numbers in both PVE and PVP are still way up when normalized for logon minutes.

Here's some more fun numbers I can safely give. If you sort ships by the number of times they appear on killmails since Rubicon (so if two Vargurs are on the same mail it counts as 2 and the same ship can count multiple times if it appears on multiple mails in the period), here are what ships the Marauders place between (the Marauders are in no particular order):

Bellicose
Golem
Curse

Sin
Kronos
Scorpion

Tempest Fleet Issue
Vargur
Apocalypse

Broadsword
Paladin
Griffin


To Translate, what you guys did was an across the board success and some people can see that because their personal preferences and biases are in the way.

Well done. Now keep your damn hands off me bloody Mach Smile


We reimburse armor machs for pilots with the appropriate skills, they're sort of a favored ship for us, so don't worry, they're safe.

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Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-01-03 16:37:05 UTC
Speaking of Machariel, that one looks to be in dire need of:

- Dronebay reduced to 50m² (alt-0178 works yay)
- One lowslot reduced
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#53 - 2014-01-03 16:37:53 UTC
mynnna wrote:


We reimburse armor machs for pilots with the appropriate skills, they're sort of a favored ship for us, so don't worry, they're safe.


Wait...you reimburse armor machs lost in pvp?

Damn it, where can i send my 500 mil isk entry fee and/or my tenbux, i need in teh gewns NOW!

*packs up carrier and waits for cyno to G-0*
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#54 - 2014-01-03 16:38:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
The only way this thread can get better is if we get some bar graphs.


Ask, and ye shall receive:

A Helpful Bar Graph
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#55 - 2014-01-03 16:39:49 UTC
Miasmos wrote:
Speaking of Machariel, that one looks to be in dire need of:

- Dronebay reduced to 50m² (alt-0178 works yay)
- One lowslot reduced


You do know that Blasphemy is punishable by death right? You sir and/or madam are a Heretic, and not the good kind with bubbles and lazors.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#56 - 2014-01-03 16:40:37 UTC
Domanique Altares wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The only way this thread can get better is if we get some bar graphs.


Ask, and ye shall receive:

A Helpful Bar Graph


ROFL, epic.
mynnna
State War Academy
Caldari State
#57 - 2014-01-03 16:44:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
mynnna wrote:


We reimburse armor machs for pilots with the appropriate skills, they're sort of a favored ship for us, so don't worry, they're safe.


Wait...you reimburse armor machs lost in pvp?

Damn it, where can i send my 500 mil isk entry fee and/or my tenbux, i need in teh gewns NOW!

*packs up carrier and waits for cyno to G-0*


Limited per person, using approved fits on strategic ops, and only if they meet the (exceedingly high) skill requirements. It's not just open reimbursement for any loss anywhere Blink

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#58 - 2014-01-03 17:01:59 UTC
Fozz can you poke rise to update the soe bs thread... the natives are getting restless

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#59 - 2014-01-03 17:03:58 UTC
Rise is still on vacation. He'll be back next week.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#60 - 2014-01-03 17:05:07 UTC
thanks

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