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[CSM] December Summit - The PLEX in Particular

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-23 16:23:59 UTC
Please discuss issues related to this session in this thread. We look forward to your comments and suggestions.

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Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-11-23 17:34:24 UTC
Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.

This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.

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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
#3 - 2011-11-23 17:55:45 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

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i like that.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-11-23 17:57:24 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.

This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.



Honestly while I'm in favor of this...it would prevent freedom of the player driven market.

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Kaeda Maxwell
Screaming Hayabusa
#5 - 2011-11-23 17:57:59 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.

This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.



You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.
David Xavier
The Capsuleers of Unconscious Thought
#6 - 2011-11-23 18:03:48 UTC
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:

You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.


How would not being able to re-sell a PLEX after buying it on the in-game market make RMT people more active ?


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Raid'En
#7 - 2011-11-23 18:04:21 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.

This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.


in that case you can remove plex from the game and use the timecode forum to buy GTC for ISK.

i would like more control on manipulation, but you're going way too far.
Kaeda Maxwell
Screaming Hayabusa
#8 - 2011-11-23 18:14:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaeda Maxwell
David Xavier wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:

You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.


How would not being able to re-sell a PLEX after buying it on the in-game market make RMT people more active ?




Remember that for everybody buying PLEX to fund their account there's somebody selling PLEX to fund their PvP (or whatever) habbit.

If you can get more ISK for your Dollar/Euro/Pound from RMT people because CCP removes supply demand mechanics from the in game market (which is what not allowing resale does) you make that option attractive to people.

If $30 gets you 700 million legally (back when PLEX was 350ish) and 1 billion illegal through RMT to some people (not me btw) the risk of a ban becomes worth it.

And now for a controversial statement; I think the interest of the people spending real world money should weigh heavier then the interest of people wanting to play for free. *zips up her flameproof suit*
Ammutseba Gangulur
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-11-23 18:20:27 UTC
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
David Xavier wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:

You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.


How would not being able to re-sell a PLEX after buying it on the in-game market make RMT people more active ?




Remember that for everybody buying PLEX to fund their account there's somebody selling PLEX to fund their PvP (or whatever) habbit.

If you can get more ISK for your Dollar/Euro/Pound from RMT people because CCP removes supply demand mechanics from the in game market (which is what not allowing resale does) you make that option attractive to people.

If $30 gets you 700 million legally (back when PLEX was 350ish) and 1 billion illegal through RMT to some people (not me btw) the risk of a ban becomes worth it.

And now for a controversial statement; I think the interest of the people spending real world money should way heavier then the interest of people wanting to play for free. *zips up her flameproof suit*


Every player's opinion is valid, if they didn't play then they aren't bringing in money to CCP. Sure you may not be paying out of pocket to play if you purchase PLEX, but somebody else is so you are still a valid customer.
Kaeda Maxwell
Screaming Hayabusa
#10 - 2011-11-23 18:21:48 UTC
Ammutseba Gangulur wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:
David Xavier wrote:
Kaeda Maxwell wrote:

You'd also reopen the doors to RMT people. Patience is a very rare commodity online.


How would not being able to re-sell a PLEX after buying it on the in-game market make RMT people more active ?




Remember that for everybody buying PLEX to fund their account there's somebody selling PLEX to fund their PvP (or whatever) habbit.

If you can get more ISK for your Dollar/Euro/Pound from RMT people because CCP removes supply demand mechanics from the in game market (which is what not allowing resale does) you make that option attractive to people.

If $30 gets you 700 million legally (back when PLEX was 350ish) and 1 billion illegal through RMT to some people (not me btw) the risk of a ban becomes worth it.

And now for a controversial statement; I think the interest of the people spending real world money should way heavier then the interest of people wanting to play for free. *zips up her flameproof suit*


Every player's opinion is valid, if they didn't play then they aren't bringing in money to CCP. Sure you may not be paying out of pocket to play if you purchase PLEX, but somebody else is so you are still a valid customer.


Yes but you need your customers giving you money not a 3rd party RMT'er.
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#11 - 2011-11-23 18:24:31 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.

This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.



I disagree with this in one a bit.

I have 2 paid by (cash) not isk accounts with eve ( i dont plex ) but I will let you know my issue below:

1 toon is the moneymaker and the other toon ist he industrialist/do all the redundant stuff.

I sometimes get toonB to purchase things for toonA or vice versa depending on where they are in the universe.

If the above suggested was to take place - it obsoletes my dummy toon for doing all the things in eve I hate (flying somewhere to buy stuff).

So you still need to "LINK" multiple accounts together.
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-23 18:48:35 UTC
MNagy wrote:
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time.

This would prevent any kind of market manipulation with the item and remove quite a load of worries about unused PLEXes from CCP.



I disagree with this in one a bit.

I have 2 paid by (cash) not isk accounts with eve ( i dont plex ) but I will let you know my issue below:

1 toon is the moneymaker and the other toon ist he industrialist/do all the redundant stuff.

I sometimes get toonB to purchase things for toonA or vice versa depending on where they are in the universe.

If the above suggested was to take place - it obsoletes my dummy toon for doing all the things in eve I hate (flying somewhere to buy stuff).

So you still need to "LINK" multiple accounts together.


Wouldn't you just transfer the ISK instead of the PLEX in this scenario?

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#13 - 2011-11-23 20:13:26 UTC
I do not remember broad opposition to PLEX in any recent discussions. Is it really an issue? If not, leave as is.
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#14 - 2011-11-23 20:23:35 UTC  |  Edited by: MNagy
duplicate post with eve error - read post below.
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#15 - 2011-11-23 20:25:47 UTC
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:


Wouldn't you just transfer the ISK instead of the PLEX in this scenario?


It depends where the toon is.

I could have ToonA in Jita, and ToonB in Rens.
One of them will buy an item for the other.
When they meet up by days end - items are flip flopped.

So the 'person' who bought it - itsnt ALWAYS the person who used it.

Many times ToonA is missioning while ToonB is sent around the galaxy to pick up items for me and for any other members in corp.

This scenario becomes more apparent when you spend your time and live in wormholes more often.
Many times 1 buyer (since they are going out anyway) is given a shopping list.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#16 - 2011-11-23 23:08:20 UTC
Grey Stormshadow wrote:
Should plex "bound to account" on ISK purchase from in game market?

In other words you could sell plex through in game market only once and the receiving account would be forced to turn it to either aurum or game time. (edit)



+1 EXCELLENT idea

Thank you.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#17 - 2011-11-23 23:17:24 UTC
Eh, I'm more in favor of leaving plex alone. There are too many possible repercussions to deal with realisitically at this time, not the least of which is isk farmers.
Goose99
#18 - 2011-11-24 03:50:29 UTC
Solo Player wrote:
I do not remember broad opposition to PLEX in any recent discussions. Is it really an issue? If not, leave as is.


You missed all the whine regarding 500mil plex a few days ago.Lol

MNagy wrote:
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:


Wouldn't you just transfer the ISK instead of the PLEX in this scenario?


It depends where the toon is.

I could have ToonA in Jita, and ToonB in Rens.
One of them will buy an item for the other.
When they meet up by days end - items are flip flopped.

So the 'person' who bought it - itsnt ALWAYS the person who used it.

Many times ToonA is missioning while ToonB is sent around the galaxy to pick up items for me and for any other members in corp.

This scenario becomes more apparent when you spend your time and live in wormholes more often.
Many times 1 buyer (since they are going out anyway) is given a shopping list.


That's why you have 3 toons per account. To have them somewhere to inject plex to the account.Cool
MNagy
Yo-Mama
#19 - 2011-11-24 04:08:10 UTC
Goose99 wrote:


That's why you have 3 toons per account. To have them somewhere to inject plex to the account.Cool


No I have 2 toons on 2 accounts.
As i said, I don't plex and don't intend to. But if I click on one toon and buy a plex and can't use it on my other toon on the other account I'd be peed.

I should not be forced to travel 30 jumps with the 'purchasing' toon "just because".
Goose99
#20 - 2011-11-24 05:08:44 UTC
MNagy wrote:
Goose99 wrote:


That's why you have 3 toons per account. To have them somewhere to inject plex to the account.Cool


No I have 2 toons on 2 accounts.
As i said, I don't plex and don't intend to. But if I click on one toon and buy a plex and can't use it on my other toon on the other account I'd be peed.

I should not be forced to travel 30 jumps with the 'purchasing' toon "just because".


Weak excuse. Make a 3rd toon in empire, biomass it afterwards.
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