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Dev blog: CSM8 - 1st Summit Minutes Published

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scimichar
Deep Hole Explorers of New Eden
#61 - 2014-01-03 04:40:24 UTC
Oh look, the Minutes are out. Now the bloggers can complain about something else that no one else cares about.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#62 - 2014-01-03 05:15:51 UTC
scimichar wrote:
Oh look, the Minutes are out. Now the bloggers can complain about something else that no one else cares about.

Now that the minutes are out DEVS can talk about the next release, the winter summit and the build up to fanfest. YES

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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#63 - 2014-01-03 05:24:50 UTC
So...

I think we are all in the same page and can agree this delay was... (how do I put this in a single nice non insulting word) unsatisfactory!

I hope reflections and discussions about what went wrong (lessons learned) are ongoing and fixes or alternative ways to produce the minutes can be put in place before the next summit, so we don't have to wait 6 more months for them.

For the few csm members that during the campaign talked and complain about the delay on the delivery of the CSM minutes of previous CSMs... *** karma ***

Unforgiven Storm for CSM 9, 10, 11, 12 and 13. (If I don't get in in the next 5 years I will quit trying) :-)
Moretic
Casual Slackers
#64 - 2014-01-03 05:34:09 UTC
Why all this hate on PVE ?? leave it alone.... I dont care about pvp, never have and never will...

Its a shame that for us pve'ers the game gets worse and worse for every expansion due to 5 year old pvp'ers
Limniace
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2014-01-03 07:15:06 UTC
Quote:
Ripard pointed out when that first player-built stargate goes
on-line, every player logged into the game -- potentially thousands of players -- will want
to be there to see it and perhaps to interfere with it. The game has to be ready for that
day.


Intemeresting...

This was after the discussion of expanding team Gridlock, and comments about 'encouraging super-large fights'
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#66 - 2014-01-03 07:58:53 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
mynnna wrote:


Right, but that's still an additional thing similar looking players may not have going for them.

Am kinda curious what prompted you to jump to the "My kind isn't worth keeping" conclusion though, because don't remember anything even close to that being said and a skim of that session's minutes confirms. What?


/me nods. Anybody who thinks that CCP is trying to kill off PvE play or PvE players needs to reread the minutes. It just ain't so.

m


I don't mean that they intend to do harm to PvE. Just that since Fanfest 2013, they've been actively pandering uberalliance nullsec PvP content, and Ripard Teg was very explicit about how wether "you buy it" or you'll get essentially nothing for the duration of the Hallelujah Plan.

Well, I don't buy the gates so uberalliances fight over nullsec 2.0, so the conclussion is that "nothing" is what CCP intends to do for hisec causal friendly solo PvE. Or even worst, "nothing good", as so far, the only thing that surfaced at one point, was that CCP was considering to shift NPC AI so mission running and other PvE required PvP-like fits, which would be a terribad idea. Terribad as in "tell every PvEr that everything he did, learned, amassed and achieved for years, is going to the trashbin so the PvE forces him to learn to PvP albeit he's not paying the game for PvP".

Five years in this game have teached me to not trust CCP unless it can't be avoided, and so far what they've done, not said, DONE, is to promise new nullsec content for uberalliances and that capsuleers (that is, PvP) will be taking over what Empires (that is, NPC/PvE) used to control.

Also, what they have DONE, not said, is to deliver new PvE content with the disputable assumption that hisec dwellers don't know what they like and thus will bother to learn to PvP just to get a few new trinkets outside of hisec.

My own experience is that people who are "forced" to leave hisec to get extra content effectively leave hisec and EVE altogether. And so I am concerned to hear a lot about nullsec content being added for three years and PVP taking over what used to be PvE.

And I wonder, too, how many at the CSM can effectively convey this kind of feedback. You, Mike Azariah? Who else?

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Moretic
Casual Slackers
#67 - 2014-01-03 08:44:56 UTC
Mike Azariah wrote:
mynnna wrote:


Right, but that's still an additional thing similar looking players may not have going for them.

Am kinda curious what prompted you to jump to the "My kind isn't worth keeping" conclusion though, because don't remember anything even close to that being said and a skim of that session's minutes confirms. What?


/me nods. Anybody who thinks that CCP is trying to kill off PvE play or PvE players needs to reread the minutes. It just ain't so.

m


Not sure what to say about this..

given former actions from ccp ( think now NPC AI which *BEEP* up drones users ) i'd say they are aware of the pve players but more or less ignores and/or hates us. thats for the ccp part.

now for csm and the pvp'ers part.. all I ever see from you dudes/dudettes is KILL PVE, looking at these notes it feels like we are back to that, csm hates pve'ers...
Chitsa Jason
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#68 - 2014-01-03 08:48:44 UTC
Wooho they are out at last :)

Burn the land and boil the sea You can't take the sky from me
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#69 - 2014-01-03 09:35:14 UTC
I'll admit im a pretty pve oriented pilot, i've had run ins with pvp, won some lost some on this pilot and alts only time i ever felt blehh about a pvp was the time i hit a gate camp on an alt pilot, that was.. kinda boring, hope that fleet of guys felt mighty for killing a lone target, whatever i could afford a new ship lol.

I dont play every day, and sometimes only for like an hour, but when i do i am engaged, either in space risking a ship for lols, or doing fleet pve (i hate missions i grinded 1 corp to 8.0 for clones, never again).

I'd like to see more for incursions, random spawns, game changers, maybe couple new sites which are totally random - only appearing as random triggers while in the middle of an existing site? i dunno i could grind ideas like a madman but this probably isnt the place.

I have nothing against pvp, and maybe down the line i will be looking to try some fleet pvp but right now im a fleet pve'er mostly and i want it to be more engaging - challenge and fun wise. Esp incursions
DeeJ1
BetaMax Beta
#70 - 2014-01-03 09:51:50 UTC
And again all the Revenant Dust stuff is missing from the minutes due to NDA :(
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#71 - 2014-01-03 09:57:47 UTC
Moretic wrote:
hink now NPC AI which *BEEP* up drones users



Considering I run a drone boat on an alt, the NPC AI changes aren't that bad when it comes to drones. you just have to pay attention. And manage the AI yourself.

It helps to know things like 'The AI hates ewar'

Woo! CSM XI!

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Merida DunBrogh
Black Screen Of Raging Defeat
#72 - 2014-01-03 10:21:28 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
Moretic wrote:
hink now NPC AI which *BEEP* up drones users



Considering I run a drone boat on an alt, the NPC AI changes aren't that bad when it comes to drones. you just have to pay attention. And manage the AI yourself.

It helps to know things like 'The AI hates ewar'


And even then the AI rarely shoots at my drones since the updates to the AI, though my use of only light drones instead of med/light might have something to do with that...
The drones do die very quickly though once they get targeted, in some missions you could lose 5 drones in 2 seconds(I have had it happen with my lights) due to a large amount of frigate enemies.
Merida DunBrogh
Black Screen Of Raging Defeat
#73 - 2014-01-03 10:24:28 UTC
mynnna wrote:
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
Just finished reading 80% of the minutes(Skipped some in the end) there are a few things I noticed:
1. I am glad I voted for Trebor(Don't leave D:)
2. Malcanis has the CSM tag, yet wasn't mentioned once in the minutes, why?
3. The suggested format in "Language Support and the CSM" is really confusing and cluttered to me, and I prefer the current way where it feels more like a good book I am reading than some boring history book.

Can't wait to see what the future brings, and great performance in the minutes by Trebor Daehdoow and Ripard Teg, and to a lesser extent mynnna, Mike Azariah and Ali Aras.

Good wishes to CCP Sunset and the baby! Lovely construction there Trebor!


Malcanis wasn't present at this summit and was unable to attend remotely, thus the lack of mention.


Then how are we to know if we should vote for him? D: (Okay fine, he is active on the forum as halftroll...)
Thanks for explaining though :)
CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#74 - 2014-01-03 10:50:23 UTC
DeeJ1 wrote:
And again all the Revenant Dust stuff is missing from the minutes due to NDA :(


The relevant DUST session should be out sooner rather than later.

CCP Dolan | Community Representative

Twitter: @CCPDolan

Gooby pls
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2014-01-03 11:03:26 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
THEY'RE FAKES!

http://i.imgur.com/5OSMpPi.jpg

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#76 - 2014-01-03 11:40:21 UTC
Merida DunBrogh wrote:

2. Malcanis has the CSM tag, yet wasn't mentioned once in the minutes, why?


Legit question. I was doing the work to cover 2-3 jobs for several months last year and had essentially zero time to spend on CSM activity over the summit period and for quite a bit afterwards. I wasn't really able to contribute to the minutes process much or at all as a result.

Naturally this means that I will be the Minutes *****™ for the winter summit Cry

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
#77 - 2014-01-03 11:41:06 UTC
Session 17: Reasonable Things Review

Discussion on the first point – allow players to log out to character select - was short. In
the words of Veritas, “No”. The reasons why this is technically infeasible are baked into
the very core of the game and would literally require what amounts to a ground-up rewrite
to fix. Mynnna relayed an anecdote from lunch about how it would be ten
programmers working for six months for 15 seconds of payoff for the players. This was
confirmed by Veritas. Soundwave said “Someday”, thus creating, with a single word, the
largest expectation management problem CCP has or ever will have.

This is why I love reading the summit minutes, thanks for sharing Cool

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#78 - 2014-01-03 11:42:22 UTC
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
mynnna wrote:
Merida DunBrogh wrote:
Just finished reading 80% of the minutes(Skipped some in the end) there are a few things I noticed:
1. I am glad I voted for Trebor(Don't leave D:)
2. Malcanis has the CSM tag, yet wasn't mentioned once in the minutes, why?
3. The suggested format in "Language Support and the CSM" is really confusing and cluttered to me, and I prefer the current way where it feels more like a good book I am reading than some boring history book.

Can't wait to see what the future brings, and great performance in the minutes by Trebor Daehdoow and Ripard Teg, and to a lesser extent mynnna, Mike Azariah and Ali Aras.

Good wishes to CCP Sunset and the baby! Lovely construction there Trebor!


Malcanis wasn't present at this summit and was unable to attend remotely, thus the lack of mention.


Then how are we to know if we should vote for him? D: (Okay fine, he is active on the forum as halftroll...)
Thanks for explaining though :)


Oh, that's an easy one: you can't. I won't be running for CSM9.

Your question would have been better phrased "Then how are we to know if we should have voted for him."

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
#79 - 2014-01-03 11:49:23 UTC
Freelancer117 wrote:
Session 17: Reasonable Things Review

Discussion on the first point – allow players to log out to character select - was short. In
the words of Veritas, “No”. The reasons why this is technically infeasible are baked into
the very core of the game and would literally require what amounts to a ground-up rewrite
to fix. Mynnna relayed an anecdote from lunch about how it would be ten
programmers working for six months for 15 seconds of payoff for the players. This was
confirmed by Veritas. Soundwave said “Someday”, thus creating, with a single word, the
largest expectation management problem CCP has or ever will have.

This is why I love reading the summit minutes, thanks for sharing Cool

Funny how the launcher can launch the client with the player logged in, but the client relaunching itself is somehow too hard.
Josef Djugashvilis
#80 - 2014-01-03 12:13:09 UTC
It has taken so long for the minutes to come out, that most of it is just old news.

This songs sums it up really.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E994cE_xYI

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