EVE General Discussion

So your Rokh actually only has one tracking mod (not 3), no rigs and is using the largest guns available. What ammo are you using in those guns?

No as I said, in the pic the top pic is the Rokh shooting the Rax with this fit, the half graph is the Rokh shooting the Rax with Tank replaced by 3 Tracking Computer II's with Tracking scripts + the enhancer and the Rax webbed :)

Rigs are resists and extenders. But that's not relevent. Only the inability to track to the Rax is.

How long? Almost until DT. You would need 12 thoraxes to tresspass the REPAIR capability of that gang. And then several minutes to kil the first one. By then you would have lost half of your thoraxes .

No where i am talking about equal numbers. Even TWICE the number of cruisers have NO chance to dislodge a gang of battleships well fit.

Warp speed only matters on hunting, and that is not battleship role. Battleships will NOT pursue anything. THey are there to control a position. You could use this gang for example (since I am proposing a small 4 people gang) to take a POCO in low sec. Now lets suppose your corp wants to use only t1 cruisers to save that POCO of yours? You think you would have remotely ANY chance with 8 thoraxes? No. .. not at all.

You will start to have a chance a bit over 12 thoraxes.... and even then I would not bet on the throaxes until you reached 16 of them


BTW: one moment you are complainign that BS cannot be used in small numbers then you talk about doctrines. Doctrines are NOT about small numbers. Small gangs do not follow doctrines.

I am not dumb. If you can add 2 extra specialized ship so can I. So I add a damnation with info and armor links, and 1 navy apoc with tachyons to obliterate your falcons.

MJD gives all the mobility the BS need. In fact they can be more mobile than cruisers because they ignore bubbles.

ANYTHING you try to do with t1 cruisers only, can be easily undone by Battleships . You would need to bring like 5 or more ewar boats to ensure your victory.

They can. And that is when you use them. As in my example. when the fight location is set by geogrpahy ( a POS or POCO) and the battleships are defending. The cruisers are FORCES to engage.

Again.. how you think you are the ONE that understand eve when EVERYOEN tha really do PVP disagree with you, and know that Battleships have thier roles and uses and on those roles they are superior to cruisers?

Comprehension disconnect. I'm comparing single battleships abilities as opposed to other single ships. Not multiple ship encounters. Not POS fights or anything like that.

Imagine you were given the task of creating 3 robots, one small and fast with light weapons, one medium and average speed with medium weapons and one large and slow with heavy weapons.

Would you create them but give the big slow one weapons that could barely hit the medium one and almost never hit the small one?

You'd get fired. Your excuse of "being able to hit the medium one with multiple big ones!" wouldn't fly. Getting two of the medium one would be 10 times cheaper and 10 times smarter. BS are pointless atm.

But nobody uses them that way. Restricting yourself in such a manner is what's pointless.

If your point was that battleships aren't good 1v1, then yeah you might have something there. But instead you made an unjustifiable extrapolation that battleships are terrible in general. They aren't.

1v1 is only one metric of a ship's abilities.

Of course it matters. Nobody who's trying to shoot such a target would use a tracking-penalized ammo type.

Next IZ will give us the tale of woe for the lone Abaddon versus a Stabber. Or something.

So why are you ignoring the capabilities of the BS and the vulnerabilities of the small ships?
If it's not about homogenization, why are you making irrelevant 1v1 comparisons?

…except that no small ships offer that package other than a ship class that is about to lose it (and even there, it's far from universal).

So in other words, battleships are still worth it seeing as how they're very much used.