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Doable Triage Chimera? (not double...)

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Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-26 00:58:16 UTC
[Chimera, Heavy Tank]
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy EM Ward Field
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger

Triage Module II
Capital Murky Remote Shield Booster
Capital Murky Remote Shield Booster
Capital Murky Remote Shield Booster
Capital Murky Remote Capacitor Transmitter

Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell I

With my skills, EFT says:
out of Triage w/ only remote transporters (cap and shield) I have 4:43 cap life
out of Triage w/ only Capital Shield Boosters I am stable at 53%
out of Triage w/ everything on 3:17 cap life
in Triage w/ only remote Transporters (cap and shield) I have 2:35 cap life
In Triage w/ only Capital Shield Booster I have 9:53 cap life (19k tank)
In triage w/ everything on 1:45 cap life

So, I know the Archon is the Carrier of choice in regards to Triage work in fleets. Right now, this Chimera is my preference, so I want to make it work the best it can. I know some of the mods are pricey, but I'm absolutely willing to invest (go big or go home, right!?)

So, I'd really appreciate any constructive criticism, feedback, advice or help on this particular fit.

Also, this needs a 3% CPU implant, just in case people are wondering

Also also, I chose CSMC's because they give better numbers in EFT. I know that I need %cap to jump around faster, but I like Cap total for this fit.

Cedric

Gh0stBust3rs
Templars HIghsec
Stellar Fusion
#2 - 2013-12-26 03:24:32 UTC
Its just not a good hull for it.

Sadly an armor tanked niddy does shield triage better.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-26 07:34:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Miton
chimera is fine for triage but you do need to spend coin on it so nullseccers dont like it.
that said, your fit is awful. you must have cccs and CPRs on a triage carrier, theyre really not optional.

here's the fit ive got on mine:
Quote:
[Chimera, Triage]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I

Triage Module II
Capital Murky Remote Shield Booster
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Murky Remote Capacitor Transmitter

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I


the faction mids and meta highs are due to CPU issues. chimear still needs around 10% more CPU space to be T2 fittable...

with the cap implants you should have as a carrier pilot, the fit can run 3 highs permanently, or local rep and 1 high perma.

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Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#4 - 2013-12-26 08:13:39 UTC
Chimera's are definately used for shield triage work, bringing a Triage Archon for a shield fleet is extremely rare. Chimera's seem to be the carrier of choice for POS repping actually. Most people do not run them anywhere near cap stable, you burst rep when needed, but mostly are not running all your reps at once.
howling wind
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#5 - 2013-12-27 15:55:26 UTC
Remember to use implants, they can greatly improve the fits you can achieve. CA-1/2 and cap implants are important to really get the most effectiveness out of Chimeras.

I used mine a fair few times with my previous alliance and its definitely worth using 5% implants for cap. Its extremely important to get the most cap out of your fit as possible because when you first jump in you will be facing the most amount of enemy DPS/neuts on the field whilst also being at 30% cap or whatever it is when you jump in (Its been awhile ^^).

Whilst keeping your fleet up you also need to keep allowing your cap to recharge, preferably so that its near jump cap for any quick getaways.

As for the CCC's/CSMC's, you really need to use CCC's for the cap recharge. Having a bigger pool of cap is great, but it wont recharge nearly fast enough to counter neuts and the high cap usage of the capital mods. Also like I said before, you'll be starting the fight at 30% cap.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-27 17:12:25 UTC
The problem I've found with Cap recharge mods/rigs vs. cap amount rigs is that I totally ruin any amount of local rep that I have while in triage. Its all fun and good to be able to perma-run my local rep, but if I lose 10k dps worth of tank because of it, whats the point? One dread could ruin my day and not even break a sweat.

But, to go down this road:

Whats the desired cap regen? I've seen like +500 on some archon fits, what should my Chimera be looking to get?

I can get cap stable at 57% with my Shield booster OR perma run two shield transfers w/ a Fit of CSMC II, CCC II and CCC I, 2x TS CPR and 2x AN PDS,

Just FYI, cap regen is +562.9, but then local tank goes down to 14.5k dps. My first setup was somewhere near 19k. I can get it back up to 19k dps, but at that point Ive got like 2.5Bworth of deadspace mods. That would suck to lose those!

Thanks for help/advice/criticism

Current EFT fit:
[Chimera, Heavy Tank]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Gistum B-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger

Triage Module II
Capital Murky Remote Shield Booster
Capital Murky Remote Shield Booster
Capital Murky Remote Shield Booster
Capital Murky Remote Capacitor Transmitter

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II

Implants:
CA 1 and 2,
EO-605

Cedric

howling wind
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#7 - 2013-12-28 04:20:20 UTC
Im away from my PC at the moment so I cannot grab my fitting from EFT, nor play with other fittings.

Until then, some things to think about...
Triage carriers are often thrown in to battle with a high possibility of death. Can you counter supers incoming? Or multiple dreads? These things are extremely common and unless you're free of bubbles and at jump cap coming to the end of a cycle, you're dead. Because of this you need to consider the cost of the carrier, is it really worth it to use 200mil meta2 capital mods? Or 600mil invulns.

Another thing to consider is if you can drop with another triage Chimera and do the whole in and out Triage cycles as detailed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMFahR4wXTg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL3347CF1BC6B976FA (Rooks and Kings, much love). Being able to refit for more tank and enter/exit Triage timed with another Chimera would be optimal, and 2x less shiney fit carriers is cheaper/better than a single pimp Chimera.

Will post my fit that I have used in a bit.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-28 19:57:56 UTC
howling wind wrote:
Im away from my PC at the moment so I cannot grab my fitting from EFT, nor play with other fittings.

Until then, some things to think about...
Triage carriers are often thrown in to battle with a high possibility of death. Can you counter supers incoming? Or multiple dreads? These things are extremely common and unless you're free of bubbles and at jump cap coming to the end of a cycle, you're dead. Because of this you need to consider the cost of the carrier, is it really worth it to use 200mil meta2 capital mods? Or 600mil invulns.

Another thing to consider is if you can drop with another triage Chimera and do the whole in and out Triage cycles as detailed here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMFahR4wXTg&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL3347CF1BC6B976FA (Rooks and Kings, much love). Being able to refit for more tank and enter/exit Triage timed with another Chimera would be optimal, and 2x less shiney fit carriers is cheaper/better than a single pimp Chimera.

Will post my fit that I have used in a bit.


The point of all the faction stuff is for CPU! Trust me, if I could get away w/ T2 and Meta 0 cap modules i would : )

Cedric

howling wind
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#9 - 2013-12-28 23:50:54 UTC  |  Edited by: howling wind
[Chimera, Triage]

Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay
Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger

Triage Module II
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Capacitor Transmitter I

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I

This is the fitting we were using. CA-1/2, EE-603, EM-805 for implants. Throw in links and a blue pill and you have yourself a pretty decent Triage. Its no Archon, but its a very nice compromise between effectiveness and price.
We tried a few times with a meta4 DCU in the lows, the tank was substantially better but the cap life was a bit problematic.

Edit:
I feel I should clarify that Im not trying to be a hypocrite with the fit posted above ^^ My previous statement about limiting the price of the modules wasn't a declaration of never using faction/meta capital mods. You are right indeed that faction CR/CPR's are required for fitting reasons, but they're not too pricey (~200mil for a full rack of lows). The meta shield booster is great for boosting the tank whilst also lowing the fitting requirements, totally worth the price.

With that being said, I would stay clear from faction/deadspace invulns and meta highslots. There comes a point where more remote rep power doesn't really matter, throwing 3x standard reps on a T2/T3 hull gives it some crazy high tank, higher than the self-rep of the Chimera. If there is that much, or more, DPS on the field, your carrier is ****** and at that point, its every man for themselves. Totally not worth the ISK investment, in my opinion anyway =).
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#10 - 2013-12-29 02:05:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Just fyi:
the shieldboostpenalty goes by dimimishing returns, so wether one or four sansha CPRs, it doesn't differ a lot
-> use 4 CPRs near always, refit one for dcu if needed.

All faction cap rechargers are as beneficial as tech 2.
-> use tech 2.

Before even thinking about meta-2 capital mods, invest in a pith c-type invuln or even two. They offer a terrible lot for peanuts.

Edit: yes, triage chimmy is doable and looks roughly like the one posted above, just that there should be a cap recharger 2 instead of the boost amp.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#11 - 2013-12-29 06:22:59 UTC
Chimera is the pure DPS of choice.

Problem is most choose not to do this.

If you are going to throw one and only one carrier into a sub cap v.s. sup cap fleet this would be it.

As far as triage goes they are a bit 2nd rate but still the best option as far as shield fleets go.

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#12 - 2013-12-30 18:15:40 UTC
Secret Squirrell wrote:
Chimera's are definately used for shield triage work, bringing a Triage Archon for a shield fleet is extremely rare. Chimera's seem to be the carrier of choice for POS repping actually. Most people do not run them anywhere near cap stable, you burst rep when needed, but mostly are not running all your reps at once.


Why is the Chimera preferred for POS repping over the Nidhoggur?

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Sid Crash
#13 - 2013-12-31 00:44:07 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Secret Squirrell wrote:
Chimera's are definately used for shield triage work, bringing a Triage Archon for a shield fleet is extremely rare. Chimera's seem to be the carrier of choice for POS repping actually. Most people do not run them anywhere near cap stable, you burst rep when needed, but mostly are not running all your reps at once.


Why is the Chimera preferred for POS repping over the Nidhoggur?

-Liang



Probably because the Nids are used/lost in battle :)
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#14 - 2013-12-31 01:19:56 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Secret Squirrell wrote:
Chimera's are definately used for shield triage work, bringing a Triage Archon for a shield fleet is extremely rare. Chimera's seem to be the carrier of choice for POS repping actually. Most people do not run them anywhere near cap stable, you burst rep when needed, but mostly are not running all your reps at once.


Why is the Chimera preferred for POS repping over the Nidhoggur?

-Liang


I think he just assumed it to be that way. It isn't. Guessing that a lot of achura lead to loads of chimmies these days.
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-01-02 06:18:12 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Secret Squirrell wrote:
Chimera's are definately used for shield triage work, bringing a Triage Archon for a shield fleet is extremely rare. Chimera's seem to be the carrier of choice for POS repping actually. Most people do not run them anywhere near cap stable, you burst rep when needed, but mostly are not running all your reps at once.


Why is the Chimera preferred for POS repping over the Nidhoggur?

-Liang



Because the Chimera looks so dang awesome...who wouldn't want to look that good while doing POS work?

Cedric

Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#16 - 2014-01-03 01:03:07 UTC
Dr Cedric wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Secret Squirrell wrote:
Chimera's are definately used for shield triage work, bringing a Triage Archon for a shield fleet is extremely rare. Chimera's seem to be the carrier of choice for POS repping actually. Most people do not run them anywhere near cap stable, you burst rep when needed, but mostly are not running all your reps at once.


Why is the Chimera preferred for POS repping over the Nidhoggur?

-Liang



Because the Chimera looks so dang awesome...who wouldn't want to look that good while doing POS work?


The Nidhoggur is the best looking carrier, and the Hel is the best looking Mom. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#17 - 2014-01-03 10:05:31 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Dr Cedric wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Secret Squirrell wrote:
Chimera's are definately used for shield triage work, bringing a Triage Archon for a shield fleet is extremely rare. Chimera's seem to be the carrier of choice for POS repping actually. Most people do not run them anywhere near cap stable, you burst rep when needed, but mostly are not running all your reps at once.


Why is the Chimera preferred for POS repping over the Nidhoggur?

-Liang



Because the Chimera looks so dang awesome...who wouldn't want to look that good while doing POS work?


The Nidhoggur is the best looking carrier, and the Hel is the best looking Mom. :)

-Liang


Nid wins on POS repping - no issue there. Wins on suicide repping a Hel that is primaried, but then dies as it get primaried then the Hel dies anyway. Beauty comes at a cost, and sadly we are back to wondering why Minmatar got the good looking ****** stick.

Chimera just got the "cant fit the bloody thing cos CCP didn't test it before release".
Thermopylaee
EVE University
Ivy League
#18 - 2014-01-03 19:34:36 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:


The Nidhoggur is the best looking carrier, and the Hel is the best looking Mom. :)

-Liang


Quoted for TRUTH!
Dr Cedric
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-04 01:16:16 UTC
Although I enjoy the thought of debating the beautifulness of the Hel/Nidhoggur vs the Wyvern/Chimera, let us save that for another thread!

Are there any other words about my up-to-now-final-Triage fit?

[Chimera, Ad Statum Gloriae]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger

Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Capacitor Transmitter I
Triage Module II

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II

Cedric

Rab See
Stellar Dynamics
#20 - 2014-01-04 14:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Rab See
Dr Cedric wrote:
Although I enjoy the thought of debating the beautifulness of the Hel/Nidhoggur vs the Wyvern/Chimera, let us save that for another thread!

Are there any other words about my up-to-now-final-Triage fit?

[Chimera, Ad Statum Gloriae]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System
Ammatar Navy Power Diagnostic System

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier
Imperial Navy Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger

Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Shield Booster I
Capital Remote Capacitor Transmitter I
Triage Module II

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit II
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Semiconductor Memory Cell II



It will die, it will die the moment it gets spotted, and unlike every other carrier doing triage, only the Nid struggles due to tank inversion, it costs a crapton for what its doing.
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