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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-12-28 05:06:11 UTC
I agree that having drones automatically attack another pilot while you have a green safety on does seem in error. Although I think they should make drones only attack when commanded to. This would eliminate the whole mess with drone aggro altogether.
HK -56
Doomheim
#22 - 2013-12-28 05:10:19 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Although I think they should make drones only attack when commanded to. This would eliminate the whole mess with drone aggro altogether.


There is a passive setting for drones (in case you didn't know, in your drone bay box in the upper left, there are a couple settings you can change). When passive, they will only attack when ordered and will return to idle when the target is down.

Some division between "npc aggressive" and "player aggressive" would be nice though Ugh
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-12-28 05:18:47 UTC
HK -56 wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Although I think they should make drones only attack when commanded to. This would eliminate the whole mess with drone aggro altogether.


There is a passive setting for drones (in case you didn't know, in your drone bay box in the upper left, there are a couple settings you can change). When passive, they will only attack when ordered and will return to idle when the target is down.

Some division between "npc aggressive" and "player aggressive" would be nice though Ugh


I do know the setting thing and I keep it on passive even with my PVP ships.

When I'm running missions I'm scared someone will ninja loot one of my wrecks and my drones will attack. If I'm doing PVP the last thing I want is not being able to jump through a gate because my drones decided to attack on their own.

I think the "Aggressive" setting should be removed. This would have been a better fix to AFK mission runners instead of the horrible drone aggro changes CCP decided to do.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-12-28 09:39:31 UTC
But what does guard do.......?

Because that's a brilliant way to overcome ECM issues with drones.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#25 - 2013-12-28 20:45:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ireland VonVicious
Aggressive settings on drones should not be removed.

This setting is what makes drones so awesome v.s. EWAR.

Aggressive use to be abused and I mean abused by all us AFK domi pilots.
Was great isk at no risk or effort.

Currently you can still use aggressive to do both these things but now if you abuse it to make isk it can bite you in the ass.

Finally working as intended. Stop trying to re-**** it up. Roll


Pay attention in your missions and only turn on aggressive when using sentries that can be scooped if anyone pops in and try to only do this when needed against EWAR. Damn effort.


My fix to the issue: Have putting drones on aggressive force your safety to turn to yellow.
Warning box and all that jazz just like any other thing that turns it yellow.

It shouldn't come as a surprise to the pilot like it currently does.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-12-28 23:13:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Current thread in...actually it was moved TO issues/workarounds subforum as well as anecdotal reimbursements suggest all is not working as CCP intended.

The behaviour of the drones in this particular case is inconsistent i.e. that they now engage on a (certain) suspect level action - that's new. Likely a side effect of something that would 'usually' draw a criminal action - just these mobile units are exempt from that 'criminal' rule.

"Safety" switches have nothing to do with this, the drone owners aren't going yellow. It's a third party baiting drone AI to engage without criminal action, thus precipitating a limited engagement - hitherto this was something completely beyond the realms of possibility (at least in more recent times, I'm sure some recall drone stupidity quickly patched but my point remains).

Something that major I would expect in dev blogs, which is why it feels unintended to me - the other thread simply adds weight to that belief.

I may be wrong, just...intuition/past experience of major game changers like this at play here
HK -56
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-12-29 03:04:41 UTC
A simple fix could be for the drones, even while "Aggressive", to NOT initiate a limited engagement timer. Right?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-12-29 04:12:09 UTC
HK -56 wrote:
A simple fix could be for the drones, even while "Aggressive", to NOT initiate a limited engagement timer. Right?


no, it would just case other problems in pvp situations.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Tarsas Phage
Sniggerdly
#29 - 2013-12-29 04:29:16 UTC
IIshira wrote:
HK -56 wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Although I think they should make drones only attack when commanded to. This would eliminate the whole mess with drone aggro altogether.


There is a passive setting for drones (in case you didn't know, in your drone bay box in the upper left, there are a couple settings you can change). When passive, they will only attack when ordered and will return to idle when the target is down.

Some division between "npc aggressive" and "player aggressive" would be nice though Ugh


I do know the setting thing and I keep it on passive even with my PVP ships.

When I'm running missions I'm scared someone will ninja loot one of my wrecks and my drones will attack. If I'm doing PVP the last thing I want is not being able to jump through a gate because my drones decided to attack on their own.

I think the "Aggressive" setting should be removed. This would have been a better fix to AFK mission runners instead of the horrible drone aggro changes CCP decided to do.


Aggressive has very valid uses.

As for drones auto-aggressing when you have a Green safety, the safety is just that - it prevents you from doing things that will get you one of the two types of global flags - Suspect or Criminal. It is NOT intended, designed, or otherwise meant to prevent you from doing anything beyond that, which includes LE'ing with another player by whatever means.
HK -56
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-01-01 00:50:51 UTC
As it turns out, CCP reimbursed my Raven loss :)
Corthon
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2014-01-01 05:54:05 UTC
How interesting.
Kirkwood Ross
Golden Profession
#32 - 2014-01-02 16:17:14 UTC
CCP stated a long time ago that drones set to aggressive should never perform any action that would get the pilot concorded. This applied a lot to can flippers of miners. Even though a pilot stole your ore your drone's would not auto attack them.

When suspect flags and green safety button came out.

CCP stated that drones set to aggressive should never perform any action that would get the pilot flagged.
CCP stated that drones set to aggressive should never perform any action that would get the pilot flagged if the pilot's button is set to green.

I believe the problem is that the pilot is dealing damage to the MTU or MD and that triggers a response from drones to attack back or defend that supersedes the safety button.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-01-02 17:26:56 UTC
Kirkwood Ross wrote:
CCP stated a long time ago that drones set to aggressive should never perform any action that would get the pilot concorded. This applied a lot to can flippers of miners. Even though a pilot stole your ore your drone's would not auto attack them.

When suspect flags and green safety button came out.

CCP stated that drones set to aggressive should never perform any action that would get the pilot flagged.
CCP stated that drones set to aggressive should never perform any action that would get the pilot flagged if the pilot's button is set to green.


Link source please
Ori Muvila
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-01-03 01:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ori Muvila
Yes, please supply the source.

Also, if you dont want to get done in by this tactic, dont have your drones set to aggressive, and dont go AFK.

EDIT. The safety is there to protect you from doing something stupid, your drones on the other hand are left to thier own devices. If you have them set to aggressive, they will attack everything that has aggressed you or them.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-01-03 03:32:41 UTC
This thread is amazing. Mission runners freely admiting that adapting to new circumstances is too hard.

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Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
#36 - 2014-01-03 05:21:29 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This thread is amazing. Mission runners freely admiting that adapting to new circumstances is too hard.


Ahem... Slowcats...
Ori Muvila
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-01-03 06:16:42 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This thread is amazing. Mission runners freely admiting that adapting to new circumstances is too hard.


Ahem... Slowcats...


Dont you mean Sniper Naglfars?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-01-03 07:45:29 UTC
Decaneos wrote:
Its because if your running drones and they attack a MTU the drones will aggress the player thus putting you into " Consentual" PVP even if you didn't mean to.


Ouch. I guess setting them passive is a good idea ? I always do anyway. If only women had that setting...

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Cookie
Snakeoil Industries Ltd.
#39 - 2014-01-03 11:49:57 UTC
The thing i don't really get is, why can people destroy other peoples stuff without war declaration ?
When i shoot drones of other people, will i get concorded ?
When i shoot other peoples hi-sec pos without wardec, what will concord do ?
What happens when an anchored can is shot at ?

(i had a loooong break, so forgive my lack of knowledge on that mechanics)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-01-03 17:39:16 UTC
Shaotuk wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
This thread is amazing. Mission runners freely admiting that adapting to new circumstances is too hard.


Ahem... Slowcats...


I guess you haven't heard about Omegafleet or Waterboarding yet.

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