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Why do people fly BS?

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#121 - 2014-01-02 16:52:29 UTC
Deunan Tenephais wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The most important thing is practice.

Sooo, I will wait to have a little more income before really flying it, just in case I have to replace it after things happen during "practice".

Praxis Ginimic wrote:
If you trained [insert ship name here] before AWU V then go back and train AWU V now.

What, everyone must absolutely aim for a maraudeur, it's the new hype ?
You're a hobo if you don't have one ?



Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.

Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#122 - 2014-01-02 18:19:34 UTC
Now let's consider why people fly SB

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#123 - 2014-01-02 18:40:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Now let's consider why people fly SB


Dyslexia
Deunan Tenephais
#124 - 2014-01-02 18:42:38 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.

Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP

I don't have a problem with the fitting, I find that large railguns are really not an improvement compared to medium ones.
You exchange more range for less tracking speed and the dps is near the same, it looks more like a sidegrade than a direct upgrade power-wise imo.

And actually I don't do PvP, I first need a proper income to pay for when I will get podded.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#125 - 2014-01-02 23:58:38 UTC
Hm, I actually love BS in the right situations, it's just that I find myself in these situations rarely. Couldn't imagine the game without the BS class though.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#126 - 2014-01-03 00:04:06 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

No. This is so wrong lol. A cruiser fleet will rip a battleship fleet apart. If its T3 cruisers


I said cruisers. T3 strategic cruisers are in their own category, as are hacs. I would consider T3's to be closer to a hac than a regular cruiser. Anyway I beg to differ. I've seen some tengu fleets ripped apart by apocs and rokhs. While I agree with some of your points, especially that T3 have much better resists, smaller sig radius, etc, when was the last time you hit for 14k with a legion?
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#127 - 2014-01-03 01:10:58 UTC
Marauders are distilled win in a spaceship hull.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#128 - 2014-01-03 01:12:46 UTC
Battleships have a clearly defined role, and it isn't solo. They're used when what you need is a lot of firepower and a lot of EHP massed in one location. They're most effective in medium sized gangs to fleets, and very good at what they do.
Mariner6
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2014-01-03 01:13:52 UTC
I really used to enjoy flying BS's due to the high tank and ability to really manage a lot of different aspects of the ship such as cap, reps, ewar, neuts, flights of drones, shooting etc all at once. You also have to think ahead a lot more with a BS due to the time it takes to align and how the battle space is progressing. (I'm talking more small gang stuff here not big F1 fleet stuff.) Probably why the Domi has always been a favorite of mine. While some of these options exist in the smaller ships I find with the BS you tend to live long enough to really fight the entirety of the ship.

But honestly, since the warp speed changes...my enjoyment of these ships have plummeted. If the fight is 1-2 hops away I'll still jump in one but otherwise staring at the screen for minutes watching the ship warp bores me to death. So I just don't enjoy it much anymore. My time is limited, I'm not going a long ways looking for a fight in null anymore in something so slow.

Sad really.
Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#130 - 2014-01-03 02:02:14 UTC
Deunan Tenephais wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.

Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP

I don't have a problem with the fitting, I find that large railguns are really not an improvement compared to medium ones.
You exchange more range for less tracking speed and the dps is near the same, it looks more like a sidegrade than a direct upgrade power-wise imo.

And actually I don't do PvP, I first need a proper income to pay for when I will get podded.


Have to agree with this. This is my exact experience as well. I've been trying to fit my Rokh to do level 4s, but so far I haven't been able to get it to any decent dps using hybrid rails. My BC Ferox does almost the same dps as a full fitted Rokh in EFT. So for now I'm sticking to doing level 3s since I'm clearly doing something wrong, or trying to get the wrong ship (Rokh) ready to do level 4s, it might not be possible at all, and I might have to accept that all my hybrid turret training has been a waste and I should start over in missiles and get a Navy Raven.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2014-01-03 03:26:58 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Deunan Tenephais wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
The most important thing is practice.

Sooo, I will wait to have a little more income before really flying it, just in case I have to replace it after things happen during "practice".

Praxis Ginimic wrote:
If you trained [insert ship name here] before AWU V then go back and train AWU V now.

What, everyone must absolutely aim for a maraudeur, it's the new hype ?
You're a hobo if you don't have one ?



Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.

Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP

I'll second this about AWU V being required, not only for battleships but pretty much any ship.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#132 - 2014-01-03 03:41:34 UTC
So it can be summed as
Battleship have very good and defined roles.
Other ships are in those roles for now.
Later those roles will be better fulfilled by BS due to the nerf bat of such sweet holy crushing that only a French Icelandic team with bound demons will be able to wield it comes into play.
At which point we will continue to be dominated by fleets of lolnope to your ship for a longer period of time.
And through all this the gnosis will still be superior to everything.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#133 - 2014-01-03 05:00:02 UTC
Mariner6 wrote:
I really used to enjoy flying BS's due to the high tank and ability to really manage a lot of different aspects of the ship such as cap, reps, ewar, neuts, flights of drones, shooting etc all at once. You also have to think ahead a lot more with a BS due to the time it takes to align and how the battle space is progressing. (I'm talking more small gang stuff here not big F1 fleet stuff.) Probably why the Domi has always been a favorite of mine. While some of these options exist in the smaller ships I find with the BS you tend to live long enough to really fight the entirety of the ship.

But honestly, since the warp speed changes...my enjoyment of these ships have plummeted. If the fight is 1-2 hops away I'll still jump in one but otherwise staring at the screen for minutes watching the ship warp bores me to death. So I just don't enjoy it much anymore. My time is limited, I'm not going a long ways looking for a fight in null anymore in something so slow.

Sad really.



Battleships will warp as fast as an assault frigate or slightly faster.
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#134 - 2014-01-03 05:10:06 UTC
What if I told you Marauders can solo certain C5 sites, which are very profitable?

This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#135 - 2014-01-03 06:17:06 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
So it can be summed as
Battleship have very good and defined roles.
Other ships are in those roles for now.
Later those roles will be better fulfilled by BS due to the nerf bat of such sweet holy crushing that only a French Icelandic team with bound demons will be able to wield it comes into play.
At which point we will continue to be dominated by fleets of lolnope to your ship for a longer period of time.
And through all this the gnosis will still be superior to everything.


/me hands over sarcasm crown

Big smile

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2014-01-03 07:11:49 UTC
Erufen Rito wrote:
What if I told you Marauders can solo certain C5 sites, which are very profitable?

Red crosses don't count. They're simply a means to fund PvP not a way of measuring a ships ability.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#137 - 2014-01-03 07:57:05 UTC
Logan Revelore wrote:
Deunan Tenephais wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Ships are balanced around having ADV weapons upgrades V. IF you dont have it and is forced to limit your fittings, then you cannot complain of the power of your ship.

Anyway, to use a battleship in PVP you should have at LEAST 15 M sp. Before that you shoudluse smaller ships for PVP

I don't have a problem with the fitting, I find that large railguns are really not an improvement compared to medium ones.
You exchange more range for less tracking speed and the dps is near the same, it looks more like a sidegrade than a direct upgrade power-wise imo.

And actually I don't do PvP, I first need a proper income to pay for when I will get podded.


Have to agree with this. This is my exact experience as well. I've been trying to fit my Rokh to do level 4s, but so far I haven't been able to get it to any decent dps using hybrid rails. My BC Ferox does almost the same dps as a full fitted Rokh in EFT. So for now I'm sticking to doing level 3s since I'm clearly doing something wrong, or trying to get the wrong ship (Rokh) ready to do level 4s, it might not be possible at all, and I might have to accept that all my hybrid turret training has been a waste and I should start over in missiles and get a Navy Raven.


Blaster Rokh is quite a beast especially with null

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#138 - 2014-01-03 08:01:04 UTC
Let me ask the following question:

Choose your favorite battleship.

Now tell me what it does better over your favorite BC, HAC and Cruiser of the same race?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2014-01-03 08:15:01 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:
What if I told you Marauders can solo certain C5 sites, which are very profitable?

Red crosses don't count. They're simply a means to fund PvP not a way of measuring a ships ability.

Not everyone's PvP type of choice consumes isk and even with that aside earning capacity is actually a pretty good measure for anyone that actually does combat PvP and funds it through PvE.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#140 - 2014-01-03 08:22:19 UTC
A rather elaborate troll against people who grind isk i see

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?