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[CSM] December Summit - Microtransactions

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Trebor Daehdoow
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-23 16:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Trebor Daehdoow
Please discuss issues related to this session in this thread. We look forward to your comments and suggestions.

Editor's note: CCP's title for this topic was "Convenience Microtransactions", but we have not heard of any specific plans for such microtransactions, and the CSM is generally opposed to the idea.

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Evelgrivion
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-11-23 16:40:47 UTC
Convenience MTs in Eve Online?

Never Ever without switching to Free To Play.
Raid'En
#3 - 2011-11-23 17:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Raid'En
did they gave you examples, or do we have to discuss what we can accept and not... again ?

also having this on the last day is a bad idea ; it will for sure be a hard disucssion, and you'll need to talk again about it another day before leaving
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2011-11-23 17:21:45 UTC
No. Double No.

MT only for Vanity items... ever... if that.

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Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2011-11-23 17:33:03 UTC
with all due respect, anyone who advocates anything beyond sparkle-ponies (i.e. vanity items) for MT should be forced to answer to a salvo of quad 3500 mm artillery...

if they survive the first salvo, repeat.

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Tubrug1
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-11-23 17:43:45 UTC
i want hats

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Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#7 - 2011-11-23 17:55:35 UTC
Anything that gets introduced that people had to previously invest time for will set of the **** storm all over again.

Don't even think about jump clones or standings for real world money CCP. Unless you enjoyed last summers thread-naughts ofc...

Just sayin. Cool
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-11-23 17:58:03 UTC
In short

Microtransactions - **** no.

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Di Mulle
#9 - 2011-11-23 18:12:55 UTC
2/3 of the Crucible would be sold as MT...

Just no. If anything else, would be too great an incentive to leave or even intentionally create "inconvenencies , which should be properly named just bad design and coding. And CCP has way too much proven record of making inconvenient stuff.
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Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#10 - 2011-11-23 18:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Carrigan
Microtransactions could actually be beneficial to the economy as we know it. However, I don't mean by the creation of an iWin button, or several items that give a defined advantage over other players. What I suggest is that MTs continue, but lower prices for Aurum, and make the NeX the great ISK sink that it could be utilized as. It could help stabilize the failing economy, as with current NeX prices, and the addition of Aurum has driven the price of PLEX up to alarming levels, currently affecting numerous people and their ability to continue playing EVE.

Vanity items only.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-11-23 18:50:40 UTC
Vanity items only. This is how it should remain.

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Solo Player
#12 - 2011-11-23 20:08:08 UTC
No MT at all.

Vanity is a core gameplay mechanic in this game, as a quick look through these boards will show. So, no pay2win even for the vanity game.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#13 - 2011-11-23 23:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
No cash store MT whatsoever for stuff in the eve online client as long as a subscription is charged.

Preferably remove NeX store and ceremonially throw the people who envisaged and championed it into the Harbour.

All ship customization, logos, exotic clothing and such should be introduced into the game by traditional means allowing players to research, develop, earn loyalty points from factions etc, and sell this stuff to other players on the market. Its an absolute no-brainer that npc corporate and faction ship skins should come from those factional loyalty stores.

Furthermore,

I'd like you to strongly remind CCP that they already got a form of MT additional income from the introduction of PLEX (which allows cash rich time poor players to spend rl currency on game advantage) and trying to impact the sandbox further is just being greedy.

Of course, you could argue that even additional accounts (which many many of us have) are another form of MT that makes gameplay easier (cyno alts anyone?)

Conclusion being.

Screw NeX!

Get that content flowing back into the sandbox by the traditional means and do not be tempted to nickel and dime subscription paying customers again in the future. The solution for CCP to increase its cash flow is to:

1. Improve the game so more people subscribe (and tell their friends to come subscribe too!)
2. Introduce expensive kit that people make ingame and sell for big isk (that some will trade plex/isk for)
3. Stop flushing money down the drain on half-assed projects that nobody really cares about.

It really isn't rocket science.

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-11-23 23:10:59 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
No cash store MT whatsoever for stuff in the eve online client as long as a subscription is charged.

Preferably remove NeX store and ceremonially throw the people who envisaged and championed it into the Harbour.

All ship customization, logos, exotic clothing and such should be introduced into the game by traditional means allowing players to research, develop, earn loyalty points from factions etc, and sell this stuff to other players on the market. Its an absolute no-brainer that npc corporate and faction ship skins should come from those factional loyalty stores.

Futhermore,

I'd like you to strongly remind CCP that they already got a form of MT additional income from the introduction of PLEX (which allows cash rich time poor players to spend rl currency on game advantage) and trying to impact the sandbox further is just being greedy.

Of course, you could argue that even additional accounts (which many many of us have) are another form of MT that makes gameplay easier (cyno alts anyone?)

Conclusion being.

Screw NeX!

Get that content flowing back into the sandbox by the traditional means and do not be tempted to nickel and dime subscription paying customers again in the future. The solution for CCP to increase its cash flow is to:

1. Improve the game so more people subscribe (and tell their friends to come subscribe too!)
2. Introduce expensive kit that people make ingame and sell for big isk (that some will trade plex/isk for)
3. Stop flushing money down the drain on half-assed projects that nobody really cares about.

It really isn't rocket science.


QFE

Couldn't have said it better myself.

**** the Nex store and AUR crud...there's no reason or purpose to it....the economy should be unified under ISK anyway for DUST 514....why make it any harder than it is.

We can build/produce the stuff for the ground pounders anyway... we need the focus shfited back to the game...and as evidenced by recent events...its obvious that its the right thing to do.

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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
#15 - 2011-11-23 23:14:08 UTC
If anyone cares to read it, I have an alternate proposal where both players and CCP all benefit from micro-transactions, without effecting game balance (ie no pay to win).


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=37179
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-24 09:56:08 UTC
Its always puzzled me why CCP chose to sell vanity items directly in the NEX store. It would have been much more fitting to the EvE universe to sell AUR only materials and blueprints (that could then be traded for ISK) which could be used by researchers and manufacturers.

So instead of buying a dress you can buy a blueprint for the dress, research it and offer to produce for people. Or buy the materials yourself and sell the dresses on the market.
Instead of buying a custom ship logo you buy a blueprint and some paint and produce a ship logo kit that other people can apply.
Price it so that a 1 run BPC and the materials is the same price as the current vanity item and optionally sell a BPO for way more.

This way you can maintain the same microtransaction structure without completely removing the economic and industrial mechanics that EvE does so well.
Eperor
Machiavellian Empire
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#17 - 2011-11-24 10:04:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Eperor
Cancel them complitly no microtransation in eve. Dont tuch our plexes they allready very expensive.
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele
#18 - 2011-11-24 10:12:02 UTC
MT only for Vanity items ... ship skins, concord billboards, snowball launchers etc. Lol ...be creative ccp Attention
Kaeda Maxwell
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#19 - 2011-11-24 11:30:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaeda Maxwell
Not on the topic but just to explain something;

AUR exists for a simple reason it allows CCP to monitor how much PLEX gets converted and by extension how many GTC's are purchased for the purpose of vanity items.

If it didn't exist they'd have no way to monitor the vanity & subscription revenue streams separately. So there's a valid real world reason for the secondary currency.

Regardless of what my or our opinions on micro transactions are AUR has a valid reason for existing as long as NeX Store exists.
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-11-24 11:41:47 UTC
MT's for vanity items only.

If someone has too much cash and wants to buy monocles then that is between them and their bank manager.
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